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Interesting Article on the ISIL Beheading by MadMark
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Here is an article that discusses what ISIL is doing by posting that egregious video of the beheading or an American Newsman.

http://www.stratfor.com/wee...heater#axzz3BkjoQQ5f

Terrorism as Theater
Global Affairs
Wednesday, August 27, 2014 - 03:55 Print Text Size
Global Affairs with Robert D. Kaplan
Stratfor

By Robert D. Kaplan

The beheading of American journalist James Foley by the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq was much more than an altogether gruesome and tragic affair: rather, it was a very sophisticated and professional film production deliberately punctuated with powerful symbols. Foley was dressed in an orange jumpsuit reminiscent of the Muslim prisoners held by the United States at Guantanamo Bay. He made his confession forcefully, as if well rehearsed. His executioner, masked and clad in black, made an equally long statement in a calm, British accent, again, as if rehearsed. It was as if the killing was secondary to the message being sent.

The killing, in other words, became merely the requirement to send the message. As experts have told me, there are more painful ways to dispatch someone if you really hate the victim and want him to suffer. You can burn him alive. You can torture him. But beheading, on the other hand, causes the victim to lose consciousness within seconds once a major artery is cut in the neck, experts say. Beheading, though, is the best method for the sake of a visually dramatic video, because you can show the severed head atop the chest at the conclusion. Using a short knife, as in this case, rather than a sword, also makes the event both more chilling and intimate. Truly, I do not mean to be cruel, indifferent, or vulgar. I am only saying that without the possibility of videotaping the event, there would be no motive in the first place to execute someone in such a manner.

In producing a docu-drama in its own twisted way, the Islamic State was sending the following messages:

We don't play by your rules. There are no limits to what we are willing to do.
America's mistreatment of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay comes with a "price tag," to quote a recently adopted phrase for retribution killings. After all, we are a state. We have our own enemy combatants as you can see from the video, and our own way of dealing with them.
Just because we observe no limits does not mean we lack sophistication. We can be just as sophisticated as you in the West. Just listen to the British accent of our executioner. And we can produce a very short film up to Hollywood standards.
We're not like the drug lords in Mexico who regularly behead people and subsequently post the videos on the Internet. The drug lords deliver only a communal message, designed to intimidate only those people within their area of control. That is why the world at large pays little attention to them; in fact, the world is barely aware of them. By contrast, we of the Islamic State are delivering a global, meta-message. And the message is this: We want to destroy all of you in America, all of you in the West, and everyone in the Muslim world who does not accept our version of Islam.
We will triumph because we observe absolutely no constraints. It is because only we have access to the truth that anything we do is sanctified by God.

Welcome to the mass media age. You thought mass media was just insipid network anchormen and rude prime-time hosts interrupting talking heads on cable. It is that, of course. But just as World War I was different from the Franco-Prussian War, because in between came the culmination of the Industrial Age and thus the possibility of killing on an industrial scale, the wars of the 21st century will be different from those of the 20th because of the culmination of the first stage of the Information Age, with all of its visual ramifications.

Passion, deep belief, political protests and so forth have little meaning nowadays if they cannot be broadcast. Likewise, torture and gruesome death must be communicated to large numbers of people if they are to be effective. Technology, which the geeky billionaires of Silicon Valley and the Pacific Northwest claim has liberated us with new forms of self-expression, has also brought us back to the worst sorts of barbarism. Communications technology is value neutral, it has no intrinsic moral worth, even as it can at times encourage the most hideous forms of exhibitionism: to wit, the Foley execution.

We are back to a medieval world of theater, in which the audience is global. Theater, when the actors are well-trained, can be among the most powerful and revelatory art forms. And nothing works in theater as much as symbols which the playwright manipulates. A short knife, a Guantanamo jumpsuit, a black-clad executioner with a British accent in the heart of the Middle East, are, taken together, symbols of power, sophistication, and retribution. We mean business. Are you in America capable of taking us on?

It has been said that the murder of Czar Nicholas II and his family in 1918 in Ekaterinburg by Lenin's new government was a seminal crime: because if the Bolsheviks were willing to execute not only the Czar but his wife and children, too, they were also capable of murdering en masse. Indeed, that crime presaged the horrors to come of Bolshevik rule. The same might be said of the 1958 murder of Iraqi King Faisal II and his family and servants by military coup plotters, and the subsequent mutilation of the body of Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Said by a Baghdad mob -- events that presaged decades of increasingly totalitarian rule, culminating in Saddam Hussein. The theatrical murder of James Foley may appear as singular to some; more likely, it presages something truly terrible unfolding in the postmodern Middle East.

To be sure, the worse the chaos, the more extreme the ideology that emerges from it. Something has already emerged from the chaos of Syria and Iraq, even as Libya and Yemen -- also in chaos -- may be awaiting their own versions of the Islamic State. And remember, above all, what the video communicated was the fact that these people are literally capable of anything.

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I think we should call them TITS

for THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST STATE =TITS

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Originally posted by MadMark:

Here is an article that discusses what ISIL is doing by posting that egregious video of the beheading or an American Newsman.


That seems to be a dispassionate and pretty accurate assessment of the message ISIS is sending.

This section in particular is something the talking heads in what shamefully passes as our government need to realize:
 
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We don't play by your rules. There are no limits to what we are willing to do.
America's mistreatment of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay comes with a "price tag," to quote a recently adopted phrase for retribution killings. After all, we are a state. We have our own enemy combatants as you can see from the video, and our own way of dealing with them.


You know some hospitals in Ebola stricken areas recently were attacked and soaked bed linens of the victims were stolen. Don't be surprised if they don't weaponize Ebola in the future. Potentially more deadly and more terrifying than a suicide bomb. Infect a martyr, and let them travel to a densly populated area and infect as many as possible. TSA won't catch it. There is no border.

Our "leaders" are completely out of their depth in dealing with ISIS.
Either they didn't see it coming, or they saw it coming and did nothing.... or they saw it coming and welcomed it.

Student evades monitors, spreads Ebola to Senegal
 
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DAKAR, Senegal — A university student infected with Ebola evaded health surveillance for weeks as he slipped into Senegal, carrying the deadly virus to a fifth West African nation showing how quarantines, border closures and flight bans have failed to contain the outbreak.

Now health officials must try to identify and monitor all of his contacts in Senegal's capital of Dakar — no small feat in a metropolitan area with more than 2 million people that serves as a major transportation hub and popular destination for European tourists.

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Originally posted by Formula88:
That seems to be a dispassionate and pretty accurate assessment of the message ISIS is sending.

This section in particular is something the talking heads in what shamefully passes as our government need to realize:

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We don't play by your rules. There are no limits to what we are willing to do.
America's mistreatment of Muslim prisoners at Guantanamo Bay comes with a "price tag," to quote a recently adopted phrase for retribution killings. After all, we are a state. We have our own enemy combatants as you can see from the video, and our own way of dealing with them.



Stratfor is definitely a level headed organization. I don't always agree with what they say, but they are pretty involved and knowledgeable, so it is wise to at the very least listen to what they say.
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Mark, I appreciate your contributions. Just sayin', cause I do not always add to the discussion.
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Report this Post08-29-2014 09:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for spark1Send a Private Message to spark1Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Another day, another atrocity:

Islamic State massacres 160 captured Syrian soldiers

 
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The slayings were the latest massacre attributed to the extremist group, which has terrorized rivals and civilians alike with widely publicized brutality in Syria and Iraq as it seeks to expand a proto-state it has carved out on both sides of the border.


Welcome back to the way Islam began.
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What we need is a new crusade.

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Originally posted by avengador1:

What we need is a new crusade.



That's actually quite clever!

As far as "We don't play by your rules - we will do anything - we ain't afraid of nobody, bla bla bla etc.".....of course.
Bad-guys love bravado.
It (and what they can take) is their bread & butter.

When a bunch of nobody's wanna' be somebody's, and at any cost, you get Fanatics.

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The best and most efficient way to jumpstart any group from "nobody" status to primetime status is to publicly declare them "nobodies" or in this case, call them "JVs. (junior varsity)
Kinda like poking a dog with a stick.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

The best and most efficient way to jumpstart any group from "nobody" status to primetime status is to publicly declare them "nobodies" or in this case, call them "JVs. (junior varsity)
Kinda like poking a dog with a stick.


Well, our dear leader has gone and done that then. Now with their successes ISIL has drawn a whole lot of the radicals to their side. They also have a lot of money and oil to finance them. Along with that they seem to be good at picking up the left behind weapons that the US left. So they are getting pretty well armed.

To make them seem even bolder they have directly threatened the US on our soil. I do believe it would be good advertising for them to follow through with it in some way that they can say that they have poked the Evil Satan in its eye. So hang on it is going to be an interesting ride. Sort of like the old Chinese curse "May your life be interesting."
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Report this Post08-30-2014 12:10 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Formula88Send a Private Message to Formula88Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Speaking of weaponizing Ebola.

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Originally posted by Formula88:

Speaking of weaponizing Ebola.


Isn't that what got us into Iraq the last time?
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Isn't that what got us into Iraq the last time?


Good point. We should ignore it.

And then there's this opinion on ISIS from a UK Muslim.

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Originally posted by ray b:

I think we should call them TITS

for THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST STATE =TITS



Don't know about anybody else, but I thought this was actually pretty funny!

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