You buy an 80% finished lower and this machine does the rest. "The US does allow for creating a firearm from parts or kits, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which states: “[An] unlicensed individual may make a 'firearm' as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.”
As a way to get around that law, manufacturers can make a semi-finished lower receiver that “isn’t technically a gun, but gets as close to the line as possible,” Ars Technica reported. The metal piece is usually 80 percent finished, and can be purchased from a variety of companies. The Ghost Gunner machine will finish the lower receiver, and then customers can purchase the rest of the AR-15 parts online, without being subjected to waiting periods or background checks. "
It's legal as long as you don't sale or give the gun away, but the government is working on closing this loop hole.
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You buy an 80% finished lower and this machine does the rest. "The US does allow for creating a firearm from parts or kits, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which states: “[An] unlicensed individual may make a 'firearm' as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.”
As a way to get around that law, manufacturers can make a semi-finished lower receiver that “isn’t technically a gun, but gets as close to the line as possible,” Ars Technica reported. The metal piece is usually 80 percent finished, and can be purchased from a variety of companies. The Ghost Gunner machine will finish the lower receiver, and then customers can purchase the rest of the AR-15 parts online, without being subjected to waiting periods or background checks. "
It's legal as long as you don't sale or give the gun away, but the government is working on closing this loop hole.
it isn't 'getting around the law' its 'complying with the law'.
And you CAN sell the gun you make. You just cant make it with intent to sell.
Yeah, it's not a 3D printer; it's a purpose-built CNC mill.
That said, you can sell or trade a homemade gun (including one made from an 80% receiver), if you navigate through some legal red tape. You can read about that here: http://www.thefirearmblog.c...mination-letter-atf/
Yeah, it's not a 3D printer; it's a purpose-built CNC mill.
That said, you can sell or trade a homemade gun (including one made from an 80% receiver), if you navigate through some legal red tape. You can read about that here: http://www.thefirearmblog.c...mination-letter-atf/
Just dont sell too many or you get called a manufacturer, and your life forever changes.
Calling it a 3d printer, was only to further the demonetization. it is Defense Distributed after all, those evil bastards that support terrorists with their products. Kidding aside, a nice *clean* compact CNC would be cool.. I know anytime i work out in the garage its a mess... and my machines wont be fitting on a kitchen counter..
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The whole 80% reference is kinda misleading and has just stuck throughout the years.
the receiver must not be in a working condition as to be a firearm part,as far as the Ar receivers they generaly leave the fire control pocket(where your trigger and hammer are located as well as safety selector) un milled and the holes to to install the parts undrilled.
If you purchase an unfinished metal receiver there is some pretty tedious work to machine them correctly...
That why I realy like the Ideal of a compact CNC to perform it ...
The whole 80% reference is kinda misleading and has just stuck throughout the years.
the receiver must not be in a working condition as to be a firearm part,as far as the Ar receivers they generaly leave the fire control pocket(where your trigger and hammer are located as well as safety selector) un milled and the holes to to install the parts undrilled.
If you purchase an unfinished metal receiver there is some pretty tedious work to machine them correctly...
That why I realy like the Ideal of a compact CNC to perform it ...
I dont see it as being misleading really. It indicates how much work has been done for you. Its better than saying "some of it", or a "lot of it".. it gives you something of a standard to 'work' with when shopping. Or did i misunderstand and you are having issue with using 80% and want it something like 50% or 90% for something at that level of completion instead?
I have seen people complete one with a 50 dollar bench drill press and a can of wd40. Its aluminum, its not THAT hard to do, if you go slow and measure 3 times and drill once.
The 80% is an industry name, not an ATF standard. It's fine by me, I get what they mean. It's just not technically a legal term, only a marketing term.
The 80% is an industry name, not an ATF standard. It's fine by me, I get what they mean. It's just not technically a legal term, only a marketing term.
Right, its an industry standard. I dont think anyone said it was an ATF standard. ATF is either 'its a gun or not' ( tho they do have rather loose rules for what is in some cases )
Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms...arms-technology.html [QUOTE]Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.
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Isn't that what i said? You can still sell it later, just cant make it with intent. If you make it with *intent* that is a whole different problem.
Duuuude, ya need google lessons. That took me under 90 seconds, including weeding out the "bad" links in the 1st 1/2 page
Funny... None of those links are Amazon.com. He did say "You can buy them in blank form on amazon just look up Ar-15 paper weight", which I tried and didn't find any on Amazon. You didn't provide me with a link to some on Amazon, so.... do you need reading and comprehension lessons?
By the way, the whole reading and comprehension thing is a joke MEM . I just realized I haven't given you a nudge away from the red in awhile. I'll remedy that now.
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I was pointing out the identification (serial #) requirement in bold, not saying it couldn't be sold.
Ah ok.
Serial numbers are a good idea anyway, if your stuff is stolen, how could you ever identify it? And would you wnat to explain to the cops why there is no number? sure its legal, but the discussion wont go smoothly..
Everything i make has a number, if its going to stay around long enough not to just be an experiment and off to the scarp heap. Regardless of what it is.. Be it an AR-15, an aluminum motor mount, or some toy for xmas..
Funny... None of those links are Amazon.com. He did say "You can buy them in blank form on amazon just look up Ar-15 paper weight", which I tried and didn't find any on Amazon. You didn't provide me with a link to some on Amazon, so.... do you need reading and comprehension lessons?
By the way, the whole reading and comprehension thing is a joke MEM . I just realized I haven't given you a nudge away from the red in awhile. I'll remedy that now.
Amazon must have pulled them all since this came about. Four months ago I purchased six 80% lowers from amazon and they showed up to my door in a nice brown little box.
I dont see it as being misleading really. It indicates how much work has been done for you. Its better than saying "some of it", or a "lot of it".. it gives you something of a standard to 'work' with when shopping. Or did i misunderstand and you are having issue with using 80% and want it something like 50% or 90% for something at that level of completion instead?
I complete one with a 50 dollar bench drill press and a can of wd40. Its aluminum, its not THAT hard to do, if you go slow and measure 3 times and drill once.
No I think your (misunderstanding) is your belief in yourself.
I don't care what it is called --50,55,80,or 99.999% receiver. I was actually pointing out that it can be classed under other search words.
And actually there is not a real answer to how much work has been performed to bring it to a specific % of complection.
But tell you what....buy one and use a " 50 dollar bench drill press and a can of wd40"....vid it in real time while "you go slow and measure 3 times and drill once" and lets see how easy it is ...... I mean " Its aluminum, its not THAT hard to do"
After all you "have seen people " not personaly but you seen it done , Right..?
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