It is racist to require identification to vote. So apparently most of the countries on the rest of the planet are racist. I have no idea how anyone functions in today's society without valid identification.
Meanwhile, remember in 2012 when Democrat law makers requested U.N. observers for our election? The story was quickly ignored and never brought up again after the election. Here is why:
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For the head of Libya’s national election commission, the method by which Americans vote is startling in that it depends so much on trust and the good faith of election officials and voters alike.
"It’s an incredible system," said Nuri K. Elabbar, who traveled to the United States along with election officials from more than 60 countries to observe today’s presidential elections as part of a program run by the International Foundation for Electoral Systems (IFES). Your humble Cable guy visited polling places with some of the international officials this morning. Most of them agreed that in their countries, such an open voting system simply would not work.
"It’s very difficult to transfer this system as it is to any other country. This system is built according to trust and this trust needs a lot of procedures and a lot of education for other countries to adopt it," Elabbar said.
The most often noted difference between American elections among the visitors was that in most U.S. states, voters need no identification. Voters can also vote by mail, sometimes online, and there’s often no way to know if one person has voted several times under different names, unlike in some Arab countries, where voters ink their fingers when casting their ballots.
The international visitors also noted that there’s no police at U.S. polling stations. In foreign countries, police at polling places are viewed as signs of security; in the United States they are sometimes seen as intimidating.
Sara Al-Utaibi, IFES deputy country director in Jordan, said that the fact that voting is done differently in different U.S. states is highly unusual. In Maryland, for example, electronic voting is common, whereas in Washington paper ballots predominate. If there are different voting procedures within another country, someone assumes fraud or abuse, she said.
"What’s very unique about the way the Americans do it, it’s not the process, it’s the confidence that’s placed in the process," she said. "This is what lacks in other countries. They say if this would happen in Arab countries it would not work the way it does in the United States."
Many of the visiting international officials noted that there were no observers at the polling places to ensure that proper voting procedures were being followed. IFES staffers explained to them that in the United States, election observers are sent by the political parties, which wouldn’t use their limited resources inside the District of Columbia, where President Barack Obama is a heavy favorite.
Many of the visiting election officials were from emerging democracies, including Tunisia, Indonesia, Russia, Nigeria, and Yemen. The will spend a total of four days in the United States in a series of workshops and seminars.
"The point is to bring the highest-level commissioners and election staff here so they can connect and exchange ideas," said Ambar Riaz Zobairi, IFES deputy regional director for the Middle East and North Africa. "The overall point is to highlight the very interesting electoral process that we have here."
Provisional ballots are also a source of puzzlement for international officials. American voters who don’t find their names on the rolls can vote anyway and verify their eligibility days later, a system not often found abroad. Ballots in foreign countries are often not as complicated as ballots in the United States.
"Their ballots are simple. We have a range of things on our ballot, referendums and such. In most countries, it’s just president and parliament," said Cindy McCormick, an IFES consultant with more than 30 years of election monitoring experience.
One observer from Lebanon who did not want to be quoted pressed staffers on how the ballots are handled before and after voting day. He was amazed that ballots are sent directly to poll workers and that the handling of those ballots after the voting ends is also entrusted to local poll workers.
In Morocco, the poll workers take the unused ballots outside at the end of the night and burn them, McCormick said. In Russia, unused ballots are piled up and a poll worker drives a spike though the pile with a hammer. In The Gambia, a country in West Africa, each voter is given exactly one marble, which they place in one of the large marble collecting jars that are set up for each candidate.
"The polls workers are listening because when the marble goes into the jar, there’s a ding. And if there are two dings, maybe somebody came in with extra marbles in their pocket, so they call the police," she said.
Asked how Gambians do a recount with the marble-based voting system, McCormick said, "I have no idea."
You have to understand the court's point of view. It is unreasonable to expect African Americans to obtain an ID like you would anyone else. They simply aren't able to handle that level of responsibility, so it's unfair to expect them to do so.
You have to understand the court's point of view. It is unreasonable to expect African Americans to obtain an ID like you would anyone else. They simply aren't able to handle that level of responsibility, so it's unfair to expect them to do so.
Even if they did get a ID you can't expect them to have that ID on their person at anytime. If they did, then they wouldn't be able to falsify their identity when interacting with officers.
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I recently went to the doctor for a physical and (of course) had to fill out a bunch of silly forms.
One question almost got me into trouble. The questionnaire asked if I had anyone in my family that had demonstrated any tendencies toward mental illness. I gave an honest response indicating that my uncle (from Chicago) had voted conservative his entire life but, upon his demise had all of a sudden had become a Clinton Supporter. We thought he had gone nuts! Turns out, no one was asking for his ID, he was voting in several locations and making darn good money doing it.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
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I'm surprised you didn't have to go to a re-education camp.
But on back on the original topic, the NAACP decried the voter ID law as "racist." But I have to ask how? It's a law that treats everyone the same way and makes not mention of race. The only way for it to discriminate against people of color is if you take the position that people of color are not capable of doing the same things as everyone else. If you use the economic argument, then you're saying people of color are incapable of making money the same as other ethnic groups. Surely even the NAACP recognizes there are poor people of all backgrounds? Perhaps not. I can't find a reason to be against this law that doesn't depend on accepting the fact that certain ethic groups are less capable than others.
While I sincerely appreciate the accolades, I may get in trouble over this. So, be careful who you tell this to, let's just keep it between us in private over the internet.
It seems Uncle Frank changed clothing, hairstyles and complexions and apparently became a transexual several times but, I'm sure it was him, he said it was him. I'm not 100% sure the UN Voter Fraud team believed me. But, I hope to inherit what he made, it was all untaxed and undocumented.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
You have to understand the court's point of view. It is unreasonable to expect African Americans to obtain an ID like you would anyone else. They simply aren't able to handle that level of responsibility, so it's unfair to expect them to do so.
Yet, they seem to have the means to get one when they need to apply for sec 8 housing, snap(food stamps), heating help, electric help, free cell phone, free internet, free job training, wic for the kid, welfare, the 40 in their hands,, the free or loer cost mass trans pass.. . library card to get internet if not offered for free to them.. a rental agreement,, applying for a job, even if they never plan on getting off welfare... Weston union money wire, to buy smokes, or that blunt for the wackie tobbaccie.. to buy and cash in lotto tickets,,
Yet, they seem to have the means to get one when they need to apply for sec 8 housing, snap(food stamps), heating help, electric help, free cell phone, free internet, free job training, wic for the kid, welfare, the 40 in their hands,, the free or loer cost mass trans pass.. . library card to get internet if not offered for free to them.. a rental agreement,, applying for a job, even if they never plan on getting off welfare... Weston union money wire, to buy smokes, or that blunt for the wackie tobbaccie.. to buy and cash in lotto tickets,,
Frugal, You're starting to get picky............ Lighten up will ya. Somebody's got to support those poor souls who want to vote multiple times and can't seem to find an honest paying job or as Formula called it, "Less Capable". Like my Uncle Frank. Being dead, he doesn't do much. I don't think they can tax the dead, can they? I mean really.................. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
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This is why stacking the courts with liberal judges is bad.. and why.. judges should be able to be removed when they rule with bias.. no matter what side..
I'd have asked the ones claiming racism if they themselves thought minorities are more likely to go on welfare.. and unable to hold down a job.. and when they say yes.. show photo's of help wanted signs.. everywhere.. and say,, why?????????????
This is why stacking the courts with liberal judges is bad.. and why.. judges should be able to be removed when they rule with bias.. no matter what side..
A judge can be impeached but, that takes a huge effort by Congress and, the People.
Precisely why I encourage all of my friends to seriously consider what is really important. SCOTUS is by far the most powerful branch IMHO. They keep the other two branches of our government in line. With so many Justices in the "grey" zone. This election is (again) IMHO, the most important election of my life time. We need constitutionalist judges who will interpret cases as the Constitution intended and not make laws from the bench. Many will argue the Constitution is a living document, this I will agree but, the intent was and is not for to be able to easily change the Constitution (Laws of the Land), it requires the free will of 2/3 of the states (in fact the people) to change that document and the rules we live by.
Whether I like a change or not is not the issue but, those changes must be done by following the rules. That is not the direction we're headed. Our future as a nation is at stake. People talk about it being time for a revolution but, I don't believe those folks realize that in today's world, we are no longer able to see events like that only effect a single country. I guarantee that if such an event were to take place in this country, outside forces would be involved and this country would not survive as a whole.
Want to learn Chinese, Russian, Arabic, Spanish or some other language? Let such an event (a revolution) like that occur today. I honestly don't believe the Stars and Stripes could survive an internal armed conflict. All the free stuff and government baby sitting and intervention are slowly eroding and curtailing the rights our Constitution protects. We must protect that document as if we were protecting ourselves. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
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Originally posted by Doug85GT: It is racist to require identification to vote. So apparently most of the countries on the rest of the planet are racist. I have no idea how anyone functions in today's society without valid identification.
After reading the article from the Washington Post, I am leaning towards the theory that North Carolina's voter-ID law was racially and demographically biased, and not by any accident, but by design; and that the decision to overturn or nullify this particular voter-ID law by a three-judge panel (all three judges agreed) from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit was a "good call".
The devil is in the details--the details of the North Carolina voter-ID law that the three-judge panel overturned.
The three-judge panel did not strike down the entire North Carolina voter-ID law; just certain parts of it.
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Frugal, You're starting to get picky............ Lighten up will ya. Somebody's got to support those poor souls who want to vote multiple times and can't seem to find an honest paying job or as Formula called it, "Less Capable". Like my Uncle Frank. Being dead, he doesn't do much. I don't think they can tax the dead, can they? I mean really..................
That's not the same,, yes you can be taxed while dead.. The latino's illegals that come here and want to work,, get dead peoples s.s. # .. My grandmother that has passed in 2007, is still working , The IRS was willing to keep sending letters you haven't filed, and owe xxxx.xx for tax year ______.. but won't go after the person and employer using her SS#..
Where were all these groups when the DMC was going on, as you need an i.d. to get into that.. or be anywhere near it.. Why wasn't that labled racist also... oh, right all those groups were in the building ..
But, I hope to inherit what he made, it was all untaxed and undocumented. 
