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Space X loses another Rocket and payload. by blackrams
Started on: 09-01-2016 11:19 AM
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http://www.aol.com/article/...-canaveral/21463690/

I can hear the conversation that took place just before the test firing.

Joe, if we tweak this, it'll give us another 200 horses for lift off. Wanna try?

Sure, go for it.

Oops.....................

Well, at least no one was killed.

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Report this Post09-01-2016 11:30 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WichitaSend a Private Message to WichitaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You should see how many rockets NASA exploded, including ones with Astronauts as payload.

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Report this Post09-01-2016 11:31 AM Click Here to See the Profile for newfSend a Private Message to newfEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Too bad, I'm always interested in Elon Musk's endeavours and wish him success.
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Originally posted by Wichita:

This was a test fire. No payload.

You should see how many rockets NASA exploded, including ones with Astronauts as payload.


SpaceX said in a statement there were no injuries, but that an "anomaly" during the static fire test resulted in the loss of the rocket and the Israeli communications satellite it had been due to carry into space at the weekend.
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Report this Post09-01-2016 11:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for maryjaneSend a Private Message to maryjaneEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Yes, the payload was already atop the vehicle--it was scheduled to be launched Saturday.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Yes, the payload was already atop the vehicle--it was scheduled to be launched Saturday.


Thanks for the update.
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Anomaly, a word you probly don't want to hear during an event like this.
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Originally posted by 2.5:

Anomaly, a word you probly don't want to hear during an event like this.



I told the wife I had an Anomaly once, she made me go to counseling over that issue. ...

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Originally posted by newf:


SpaceX said in a statement there were no injuries, but that an "anomaly" during the static fire test resulted in the loss of the rocket and the Israeli communications satellite it had been due to carry into space at the weekend.


Any type of event that is not part of the "normal" chain of events is referred to as an anomaly.
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Originally posted by Wichita:

You should see how many rockets NASA exploded, including ones with Astronauts as payload.



Very few with astronauts on board. Technically only one would be considered a "rocket explosion" out of the three U.S. manned spaceflight missions that have had fatalities.

Apollo 1 - fire in spacecraft. Rocket didn't explode, and it was during a test rather than the actual flight.
51-L - Challenger breakup after SRB & ET failure during ascent.
STS-107 - Columbia breakup during re-entry.

Lots of unmanned rockets, though. Probably the most embarrassing of these was dubbed by the media as "Flopnik."


You might also consider the X-15 flight that killed Michael J. Adams since it was rocket propelled, but it wasn't a rocket explosion that led to the crash. At 230,000 ft altitude, he went into a spin traveling at Mach 5.
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Report this Post09-01-2016 03:03 PM Click Here to See the Profile for blackramsSend a Private Message to blackramsEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Tweaking the fuel injectors and the waste gate on that super charger may not have been a good thing.
The technician said don't touch that knob............. He's just a technician, what's he know......

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This is Florida, so there's always the potential for "Hold mah beer and watch this!" moments.

I'm glad nobody was hurt - I wonder how insurance works with irreplaceable payloads?
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Originally posted by Gary W:

This is Florida, so there's always the potential for "Hold mah beer and watch this!" moments.

I'm glad nobody was hurt - I wonder how insurance works with irreplaceable payloads?


Turns into a tax deduction in his case
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Originally posted by Gary W:

This is Florida, so there's always the potential for "Hold mah beer and watch this!" moments.

I'm glad nobody was hurt - I wonder how insurance works with irreplaceable payloads?



Whoa! There's insurance for stuff like this? I figured we'd end up paying the bill.

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It happened during the fueling phase.

You can see the top portion that housed the payload blown complete off the Falcon at about 1:10. That portion also exploded when it hit the ground.
I guess this will create a little room in their storage hangar, since it was getting full from the successfully recovered Falcons.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I guess this will create a little room in their storage hangar, since it was getting full from the successfully recovered Falcons.



Well, there ya go. See, there's always a sliver lining. Thanks for pointing that out Don.

Now, who's gonna pay for that screw up?

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Originally posted by maryjane:

It happened during the fueling phase.



Damn ramp rats that wont put down the cigarette while fueling a fligating machine.....WHAT ???.....MeM sticks hands in pockets and whistles....

(some of the sheet we got away with 25 years ago would get ya thrown in jail today !!! )

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Well, there ya go. See, there's always a sliver lining. Thanks for pointing that out Don.

Now, who's gonna pay for that screw up?


 
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Spacecom Ltd., the Israeli operator of the Amos 6 satellite destroyed today, has not confirmed whether the spacecraft was fully insured for a loss before liftoff.

Two industry sources familiar with space insurance arrangements for Falcon 9 launches said standard satellite insurance policies should cover risks to the spacecraft during SpaceX's static fire test.

In most cases, a satellite on the launch pad awaiting liftoff is still owned by its manufacturer. In Amos 6's case, that is Israeli Aerospace Industries. Companies typically transfer the title to the spacecraft once it is safely in orbit, and often that milestones occurs after the payload completes a prescribed series of checkouts to ensure it is healthy.

In such a scenario, risk protection for the mission cost is usually covered by marine shipping insurance, an umbrella that includes ground transportation and processing, and the satellite's operator would be able to terminate their spacecraft and launch contracts with cause. Then the operator could file an insurance claim for the loss of the launch vehicle and spacecraft, sources said.

SpaceX has always conducted a customary "static fire" test before each launch, using it as a rehearsal for the launch team and as a way to verify the rocket and ground systems are ready. In 2014, SpaceX started regularly conducting static fire tests with the rocket's payload on-board, first with Dragon cargo capsules heading to the International Space Station, then with commercial satellites.


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I work directly across the river from the launch pad... no busted windows on our building, but I heard some closer to the explosion didn't fair as well. Scary stuff, glad nobody got hurt or killed.

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Don,
You're a wealth of information, thanks. Learn something every day.

Either that or, you spend way to much time on the internet................... I'll pick that library of info you have stored in yer head.

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Here's a good one. Don't know as I would put much stock in it though.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/...sk-falcon-9-attacked
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I'm okay with this.
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If you look frame-by-frame at 1.11.7 a high-speed object passed through the area ... coincidence? you decide ...

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"Hello, Mark? It's Elon. Listen, umm, we had a, like, anomaly with your satellite...."

I hope he didn't make some lackey make that phone call. But then, it's all just pocket change to those guys.
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Originally posted by Zeb:

"Hello, Mark? It's Elon. Listen, umm, we had a, like, anomaly with your satellite...."

I hope he didn't make some lackey make that phone call. But then, it's all just pocket change to those guys.

Maybe, but the Sat company says Musk owes them $50 million or a free launch...$1 mil might be pocket change but 50 mil starts getting into back pocket territory.

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Hold my beer and watch this
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