A large high school in Parkland, Fl....just to the north of Miami had what is believed to be one student enter and start shooting. Multiple deaths and at least 20 wounded boys and girls. It appears the lone shooter was a student who has been arrested with minor injury. Theyre conducting a room by room search to be sure no other shooters are involved.
These schools are working on what's called Single Point of Entry modifications. Don't know (don't think) this school had that modification. If the school had the Single Point modification, the shooter might not have been able to get in to pull the fire alarm. Up until the end of last week, I worked in Broward County. This high school is about 13 miles from where I used to work. Now I work in Naples.
These schools are working on what's called Single Point of Entry modifications. Don't know (don't think) this school had that modification. If the school had the Single Point modification, the shooter might not have been able to get in to pull the fire alarm. Up until the end of last week, I worked in Broward County. This high school is about 13 miles from where I used to work. Now I work in Naples.
Good luck. My highschool had at least half a dozen buildings, 3 or 4 parking lots, and had added more of each since I left.
I'm not sure how many our daughter's has, but for sure multiple both.
This nut job was ignored by police and FBI who had all kinds of warnings about him. He even posted...with his full name...he was going to be professional school shooter. Everyone from police to adults caring for him ignored all signs. Kids these days face no consequences for anything they do. His own classmates told everyone he was crazy and wouldnt be surprised if he shot up the school. His own facebook and instagram postings and you tube videos should have yelled warnings and no way he should have been able to buy any guns. Of course, the gun wasnt the problem at all ... it was this nut. He could have driven a school bus down the sidewalk or thru the hall and ran over 200 people if he had no gun. Im a firm believer that school access doors should be locked from the inside during all school hours and an armed guard at one door to be able to let people in after theyre checked out first. Once your kid is at school there is absolutely no reason they need out of the building till school is out. Kids do not need to go out to restaurants for lunch. I was NOT allowed outside my school building from 830am till 330pm except if escorted to the door for like a doctors appointment...after it had been cleared by the office. They cant control guns, but they can all control access very easily. It dont take an act of congress to lock doors. They still open from inside for emergencies like fires. At my house/shop the doors are all locked unless im in direct line of sight if outside, or always locked if im inside. Windows are all screwed shut.
I guess we still get to wait for the dust to settle on this.
It came out that he was a member of Antifa. So the media posted that he was a member of a yet unnamed "white supremacist group."
What happens is. If he was a member of the Left there will be nothing said. Any little connection to the Right and it'll be all over the news... Cause there isn't any bias.
All im hearing today is the left complaining of lack of gun control...as usual. It would be funny if it turns out he was democrat and voted for Hillary...but then media would never mention that.
All im hearing today is the left complaining of lack of gun control...as usual. It would be funny if it turns out he was democrat and voted for Hillary...but then media would never mention that.
So far all I have heard is the Southern Poverty Law Center claiming he is a white racist. But, I will wait for a more reasonable source to make sure that is true. I have also seen posts where it is claimed he is leftist too. But, like the other one, I will wait to see. They all have agenda's and we need to not make huge leaps in judgement before all the facts are out.
So the media posted that he was a member of a yet unnamed "white supremacist group."
Yup.
The trail of credible sources is really "impressive":
Today the media is trying to push out the idea that the Jewish ADL got a tip from 4CHAN that the school shooter Nikolas De-Jesus Cruz is / was a member of a "white supremacy" group called the ROF, (Republic Of Florida).
The ADL supposedly called the "ROF Hotline" based on their 4CHAN tip and spoke with Jordan Jereb , a 22 year old self styled "captain" of the ROF who has an arrest record and conviction for burglary in 2014 and for threatening someone in the Florida Governor's office by phone in 2016. Jareb is known to ride his bicycle through Tallahassee neighborhoods wearing "paramilitary gear".
Jereb, a "white supremacist" in the KKK tradition, supposedly then happily tells his tale to the Jewish Anti Defamation League......
From the ADL to 4CHAN to a 22 year old "captain" douche bag with a "group" that looks like it consists of only him and one other moron, and PRESTO, the school shooter is now a "white supremacist".
It helps to remember though that the media also turned another Hispanic, Democrat, Obama supporter, into a "white supremacist". His name is George Zimmerman...the guy who shot Trayvon Martin.
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I guess we still get to wait for the dust to settle on this.
It came out that he was a member of Antifa. So the media posted that he was a member of a yet unnamed "white supremacist group."
What happens is. If he was a member of the Left there will be nothing said. Any little connection to the Right and it'll be all over the news... Cause there isn't any bias.
Looking at the shirt he's wearing in the first picture, I see a hammer and sickle, Marx, Stalin........ I would tend to believe he leans socialist.
I guess you can tell that the bullsh*t propaganda about this kid being a "white supremacist" is so overwhelmingly obvious when even HUFFINGTON POST starts walking it back.
Evidence Linking Alleged Florida Shooter To White Supremacist Group Is Really Thin
"By Thursday evening, Jereb appeared to be backing down from his claim.
“There was a misunderstanding because we have MULTIPLE people named Nicholas in ROF,” a user named @JordanJereb posted on Gab, a social media platform popular among fascists and racists. “Are you really going to blame ME for the lying jew media? We know they are liars. F*ck em,” the user wrote."
I found out today who the host family was who had taken the kid in after his mother died. I worked with the father of the host family and talked with him as recently as last Friday. He had told us a week prior that the family had taken in a "troubled kid." Little did they know just how troubled. He mentioned it matter of factly and I thought nothing of it of course because I was thinking the kid was more like ten or eleven and not nineteen. They had only had him staying with them since about November I think because that's when his adoptive mother died from either cancer or the flu. I really feel for that family because I know people will be pointing fingers and laying blame even though this kid was likely beyond screwed up long before he went to stay with my former coworker. He and his family have a long and tough road ahead of him. I'm also glad I no longer work there as I'm sure that business will be disrupted too. Still in utter shock and disbelief about the whole thing.
Originally posted by whadeduck: These schools are working on what's called Single Point of Entry modifications. If the school had the Single Point modification, the shooter might not have been able to get in to pull the fire alarm.
Ah yes, the single entry/exit porthole. Which is what doomed many in Las Vegas during that mass shooting.
No Liberal has offered any plan or legislation that would have prevented most of these shootings. Most legislation will only make law abiding citizens into criminals and remove the ability to defend oneself. Criminals do not care so, what's accomplished?
Parental, citizen and public involvement with potential killers may not be enough. I don't have an answer and those who think they do only want to blame the tool used. My signature line is reflective of how I view this.
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
I'm sick of hearing the media frenzy. Anything for ratings. I believe this is the reason for so many copy cat killings. Some no one who wants to be someone. I could be wrong.
February 16, 2018 FBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida
On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting.
Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken.
We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time.
FBI Director Christopher Wray said:
“We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly.
“We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
Of course not! They were too busy investigating whether Trump ever slept with a **** star. Priorities, man!
Sleep well tonight. The feds will.
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The FBI statement is important, but it also raises the question of whether the outcome would have been any different if the information that was received from the FBI's Public Access (Tip) Line had been passed to the FBI's field office in Miami.
What could the FBI have done? I think they could have made contact with the guy, and perhaps that would have changed things, but could they have actually taken his guns away from him? He had not been officially adjudicated as mentally ill.
He had a "record" with local law enforcement, but not any felony convictions-- or so I surmise, given that his AR-15 purchase was not red-flagged by the NICS background check--and of course it's already well known that he had been expelled from that high school. Florida has something called the Baker Act, which allows state or local-level law enforcement to take guns away from people, but only if they have been officially classified as Mentally Ill. The diagnosis has to be Official.
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The FBI statement is important, but it also raises the question of whether the outcome would have been any different if the information that was received from the FBI's Public Access (Tip) Line had been passed to the FBI's field office in Miami.
What could the FBI have done? I think they could have made contact with the guy, and perhaps that would have changed things, but could they have actually taken his guns away from him? He had not been officially adjudicated as mentally ill.
He had a "record" with local law enforcement, but not any felony convictions-- or so I surmise, given that his AR-15 purchase was not red-flagged by the NICS background check--and of course it's already well known that he had been expelled from that high school. Florida has something called the Baker Act, which allows state or local-level law enforcement to take guns away from people, but only if they have been officially classified as Mentally Ill. The diagnosis has to be Official.
You do realize that one does not have to buy a weapon at a "gun store" that does back ground checks don't you? The last three weapons I procured were from private parties. Unfortunately, each was lost in that boating incident on the lake. No, I didn't record the serial numbers before losing them. Even someone diagnosed as mentally ill can get a weapon if they have the will to do so. Someone will sell, give or loan one. They may have to steal one but, if they want one, they are out there. You (or the government) will never get rid of all weaponry. It just ain't gonna happen.
Personally, I'm surprised they go for guns, there are a lot better or more effective (or worse) ways to inflict mass casualities. I guess cowards lack imagination.
Rams
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Acknowledged. I still think it is relevant that this latest one involved an AR-15 that was acquired by the perpetrator in what has been reported as a straightforward, OTC purchase from a local firearms dealer. Relevant, but also no more and no less than a single fact among many other facts.
I saw on the MSNBC crawl screen that Florida Governor Rick Scott has said that "everything is on the table" in terms of "tightening" Florida's state level gun laws.
I am not sure whether that is a verbatim quote from the Florida governor, or some paraphrasing by MSNBC
Florida has something called the Baker Act, which allows state or local-level law enforcement to take guns away from people, but only if they have been officially classified as Mentally Ill. The diagnosis has to be Official.
"Firearm Prohibition for Certain Individuals with Mental Illnesses
"The Florida Legislature passed House Bill 1355 that became state law on July 1, 2013. Specifically, HB 1355 provided conditions under which a competent adult who has been allowed to transfer to voluntary status in lieu of court-ordered involuntary placement, after being admitted for involuntary examination at a Baker Act receiving facility, and who is certified by a physician to be of imminent danger to self or others, may be prohibited from purchasing firearms or obtaining or retaining a license for a concealed weapon.
The law does not apply to guns currently owned by and in the possession of persons who have been reported as imminently dangerous due to mental illness – only future purchases (sale and delivery) or obtaining / retaining a concealed weapons permit.
I dont see how they can see him as a white supremacist racist...I dont believe any of those shot I seen were other than white, except a few maybe hispanics. I know from watching there are many blacks at the school and a white supremacist surely would have targeted them.
As they always do, liberals will use anything to promote their own agendas...even a few dozen kids. They always also jump on the AR15 bs claiming it as assault weapon and machine gun. Its just a scarey looking rifle. The military considers them junk.
DEFINITION: " Firearms for use by the military are able to shoot continuously with one pull of the trigger, machine-gun style. Civilian firearms, on the other hand, only allow one shot per trigger pull.
So one is semi-automatic, and the other is fully automatic. Got it.
See, with a semi-automatic weapon, you have to pull the trigger each time you want to fire a round. You can’t just hold the trigger down and have a steady stream of bullets come out like you can with a fully automatic.
Doesn’t that sound a lot less deadly?
This, to the gun-rights advocate, is the quintessential distinction between them. But that’s a distinction without a difference."
I dont know if they now have made those illegal. I see no need for private citizens now to own an automatic weapon or something that equates to it. Now if the government tries to take my semi autos, I would be in the market then for a full auto to protect me from them. semi auto is pretty much every gun the public owns now except for shotguns or bolt action rifles. Didnt Oswalds bolt action antique rifle fire off like 3 shots in 8 seconds ? Even a revolver is sort of semi auto...it fires once for each trigger pull.
Unless you install a bump stock, what? It still only fires the rifle once for every pull of the trigger so what is your point? I can't fire my guns as quick as a full auto, but it is not hard at all to fire at damned near the rate of a bump stock and more accuratly to boot. So once again your point is...?
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I dont know if they now have made those illegal. I see no need for private citizens now to own an automatic weapon or something that equates to it. Now if the government tries to take my semi autos, I would be in the market then for a full auto to protect me from them. semi auto is pretty much every gun the public owns now except for shotguns or bolt action rifles. Didnt Oswalds bolt action antique rifle fire off like 3 shots in 8 seconds ? Even a revolver is sort of semi auto...it fires once for each trigger pull.
The 2nd amendment is not about hunting or a bump in the night. It is about being able to resist tyranny. With all due respect, it doesn't matter what, you or I feel is reasonable. All gun control applied to legal, non criminals is a infringement on the 2nd.
