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Straw Through A Telephone Pole... by Boondawg
Started on: 04-07-2019 08:55 PM
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Report this Post04-07-2019 08:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BoondawgSend a Private Message to BoondawgEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
EDIT: My personal observation is that this seems to be a picture of an object that seems to be displaying physical evidence that seems to suggest that it has impacted, or has been impacted, by another object.

I cannot personally prove that this is "What happens to a solid block of aluminum when a 0.5 ounce piece of plastic hits it at 15,000mph in space.", as the picture was titled.

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Report this Post04-07-2019 09:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rinselbergClick Here to visit rinselberg's HomePageSend a Private Message to rinselbergEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Those Space Station astronauts gotta stop dumping their used plastic straws through the "space cat" door (or whatever hatch they use) and putting that stuff into orbit.
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Was that block in space? Is there an actual story behind this? Or, is this an experiment pertaining to the affects of such an impact?

Edit: I did not neg either of you. Wanted to, but did not.


Honest questions pertaing to the pic. I like science.

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https://www.engineeringtool...ct-force-d_1780.html
 
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The dynamic kinetic energy of a moving object, like a falling ball or a driving car, can be expressed as

E = (1/2)mv2

where

E = dynamic energy (J, ft lb)

m = mass of the object (kg, slugs)

v = velocity of the object (m/s, ft/s)


Does this formula look vaguely familiar to anyone?

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So what you're saying is all Vader and the Emperor needed was some trash cannon's?
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Report this Post04-08-2019 12:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That's the principle of the rail gun - very small projecticle moving at ungodly speed.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:

That's the principle of the rail gun - very small very dense projectile moving at ungodly speed.

Ftfy and 'small' is a relative term I suppose.
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Report this Post04-08-2019 03:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ThreedogSend a Private Message to ThreedogEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
IIRC that block was not in space, it was a test here on the ground.

Also the reason they generally do not have to worry about this too much is because 99% of the stuff we launch goes in the same direction at the same altitude. Polar orbits(North-South) vs a "Normal" Orbit(East-West) often exist at different altitudes.

It is incredibly hard to launch something going the opposite direction from most satellites, hence why it is not done.
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Ive seen some weird stuff from tornadoes. In Okla City I saw straws stuck into trees and sides of houses. Also saw a car in the top of a tree with the rear half twisted 90* to the front half like a wrung out rag. How about a complete house leveled except for the untouched bathroom. I didnt see it, but Ive seen pics and videos of the Xenia, Ohio tornado with semi trucks and railroad engines and cars flying thru the air for a few miles.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

Ftfy and 'small' is a relative term I suppose.
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As compared to a WWII era sixteen inch shell that weighed as much as a Volkswagen....
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Originally posted by Threedog:

...99% of the stuff we launch goes in the same direction at the same altitude. Polar orbits(North-South)

It is incredibly hard to launch something going the opposite direction from most satellites, hence why it is not done.



As with economics, politics, history, social issues, GPS and a whole host of other topics, your understanding of this subject is just as garbled, nonsensical and DEAD WRONG.

http://stuffin.space/

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Originally posted by randye:
As with economics, politics, history, social issues, GPS and a whole host of other topics, your understanding of this subject is just as garbled, nonsensical and DEAD WRONG.

http://stuffin.space/



Spending just a little bit of a time researching this you will find that very few satellites travel in retrograde(against rotation, east -> west), the vast majority travel with the rotation of the earth. It is all about fuel savings.

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meh, just had an emoticon here, but on second thought... nuthin'.

IIWII IWWIW

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No, most satellites are in a geo synchronized orbit so they go in the direction of rotation to stay positioned over the same spot....not to save fuel. Other satellites have orbits all over the place, some even have polar orbits that go over the north and south poles. The space station, and crew/supply rockets go opposite the rotation to gain speed faster. You can watch the station and shuttles fly by at nite from west to east on occasion.

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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

No, most satellites are in a geo synchronized orbit so they go in the direction of rotation to stay positioned over the same spot....not to save fuel. Other satellites have orbits all over the place, some even have polar orbits that go over the north and south poles. The space station, and crew/supply rockets go opposite the rotation to gain speed faster. You can watch the station and shuttles fly by at nite from west to east on occasion.



I have actually watched ISS (International Space Station) pass 215 miles over my head at 17,200 mph as I lay amazed in the snow-covered Alaskan tundra.

It was brighter then the other points of light around it, and moving in a long, measured arch diagonally from horizon-to-horizon in a crystal-blue winter night sky.

How did I know that's what it was?

90 minutes later it did it again.
And again 90 minutes later.

P.S. I should mention that I was very high...I mean, laying in the snow watching the stars for 3 hours.....but Math don't care.

You can find out when the ISS is flying over you by visiting https://spotthestation.nasa...htings/#.UcnSR5zNn-A

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Originally posted by rogergarrison:

No, most satellites are in a geo synchronized orbit so they go in the direction of rotation to stay positioned over the same spot....not to save fuel. Other satellites have orbits all over the place, some even have polar orbits that go over the north and south poles. The space station, and crew/supply rockets go opposite the rotation to gain speed faster. You can watch the station and shuttles fly by at nite from west to east on occasion.



I assumed we are only talking about orbiting satellites, as those are the areas where fast moving space debris are an issue. Many are in geo-sync orbit, but certainly not "most".

When they launch, they launch with the rotation of the earth because that is where they get the "boost" from already travelling the speed of the earths rotation. If they launch against the rotation, they have to overcome the rotational speed and achieve a speed necessary for orbit. Source(last paragraph). The ISS orbits with the rotation of earth.
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Originally posted by Threedog:


I assumed


You seem to do a lot of that.

Tell me son, what were YOU doing in 1986?

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