The New York Times ran an article yesterday, entitled 'The Man Who Told America the Truth about D-day'.
Read it.
Today we honor our fallen, the blood that watered the tree of Liberty, those who gave everything. This is not a day of celebration, but a day for somber reflection on the past, a time to honor the many who died so far from home and loved ones.
The REALLY sad part is, those freedoms they fought for are lost all across what used to be the Allies.
We dont have free speech anymore We dont have free thought anymore With over 1,000,000 laws on the books we dont have free choice anymore Our constitutional rights are virtually gone and what little is left is eroded more and more each day.
We have turned into basically the exact same kind of totalitarian society we defeated. The marxists and fascists won, they just snuk in the back door when nobody was looking.
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The REALLY sad part is, those freedoms they fought for are lost all across what used to be the Allies.
We dont have free speech anymore We dont have free thought anymore With over 1,000,000 laws on the books we dont have free choice anymore Our constitutional rights are virtually gone and what little is left is eroded more and more each day.
No. The really sad part is the number of people who believe the opposite, and do not care about the Constitution.
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: We have turned into basically the exact same kind of totalitarian society we defeated. The marxists and fascists won, they just snuk in the back door when nobody was looking.
The New York Times ran an article yesterday, entitled 'The Man Who Told America the Truth about D-day'.
Read it.
Today we honor our fallen, the blood that watered the tree of Liberty, those who gave everything. This is not a day of celebration, but a day for somber reflection on the past, a time to honor the many who died so far from home and loved ones.
There is nothing cool about it, Notrino. Dad and Grandpa lived thru the occupation in Denmark.
I can still recall Gramps hitting a wall on the farm where bullet-holes were patched over and crying, then leaning his head on the wall and crying some more and screaming "no"....I was 5 or 6 years old but that has stuck with me and probably always will.
As men, we are capable of a level of hatred and destruction
Found this cool map on the progress of the Invasion of Fortress Europe ...
My Dad landed on Omaha Beach. Wouldn’t say much about it but said that was the scariest thing he ever did. He was a “tanker”. Said not every tank made it to the beach. Some sank drowning the crews. He also served in Patton’s Third Herd in the Battle of the Bulge. Had three tanks he was in destroyed by enemy action before he got home. Dad named me after a Major that saved his life by pulling him out of a burning tank the turrent had been blown off of. Yes, they were some brave souls..
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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: There is nothing cool about it, Notrino. Dad and Grandpa lived thru the occupation in Denmark.
Peace Friend. To me 'cool' and 'interesting' are interchangeable. My father was shot down over Holland in the Bridge Too Far operation (and lucky for me, lived.) I met Dutch people who whose lives benefited by the Liberation and who looked on it like the 2nd coming of Christ might be viewed by a Christian (this seemed more or less like what one might expect). Others, whose homes were completely destroyed by it, and who also then suffered under Nazi retaliation, looked on it like the most serious catastrophe in human history (this was a real eye opener). I truly hope your family found some measure of peace and happiness after the war but I can understand if they did not.
The scene in Saving Private Ryan, and also in the HBO Miniseries Band of Brothers... it can be really hard to watch.
I don't remember the statistics, but we lost a LOT of people on that beach counter to how many men they had shooting down at us. We had sheer numbers, and I think everyone going into that knew there would be mass casualties. I can only imagine what that would feel like to be on those little landing boats moments before you're about to hit shore.
"The Allied casualties figures for D-Day have generally been estimated at 10,000, including 2500 dead."
What is the difference between being dead and being a casualty? I had always assumed casualty meant that the individual was deceased... or does it simply mean they've been put out of commission and no longer able to fight?
The latter. If you can't fight, you are a casualty. If you are dead, you are a kia.
(In combat, one of the major premises of modern warfare has always been that it is actually better to wound someone than kill them, but it doesn't come from a humanitarian point of view. If you kill 1 enemy, they are generally left where they fell until the battle is over. If you wound them it usually takes at least 2 soldiers to get them to the rear for medical attention, meaning you took 3 soldiers out of the fight instead of just 1.) Wound 100 soldiers, you take 300 out of the fight instead of 100.
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The latter. If you can't fight, you are a casualty. If you are dead, you are a kia.
(In combat, one of the major premises of modern warfare has always been that it is actually better to wound someone than kill them, but it doesn't come from a humanitarian point of view. If you kill 1 enemy, they are generally left where they fell until the battle is over. If you wound them it usually takes at least 2 soldiers to get them to the rear for medical attention, meaning you took 3 soldiers out of the fight instead of just 1.) Wound 100 soldiers, you take 300 out of the fight instead of 100.
That makes a lot of sense... glad I asked! Thanks.
BB-35, USS Texas was there. She is the world's last remaining dreadnaught battleship & will be leaving it's berth in LaPorte Texas (under tow) sometime after hurricane season 2019. probably for a shipyard in Mobile Alabama for extensive repairs. She will return to Texas, but not back to the berth she has been in for 7 decades. Probably going to be berthed at Galveston Island so she can attract more visitors, as where she currently rests is in a somewhat difficult place to get to and doesn'rt generate enough visitor revenue to pay for upkeep. I will be sad to see her go.
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BB-35, USS Texas was there. She is the world's last remaining dreadnaught battleship & will be leaving it's berth in LaPorte Texas (under tow) sometime after hurricane season 2019. probably for a shipyard in Mobile Alabama for extensive repairs. She will return to Texas, but not back to the berth she has been in for 7 decades. Probably going to be berthed at Galveston Island so she can attract more visitors, as where she currently rests is in a somewhat difficult place to get to and doesn'rt generate enough visitor revenue to pay for upkeep. I will be sad to see her go.
Crazy! I've been there twice, and my daughter loves that ship. Hard to imagine they're going to get more revenue than where they are. They are literally 3-5 minutes off I-10. Galveston Island seems so much more remote. Unless you were vacationing in Galveston, you'd never visit the battleship. I drive down I-10 at least 3 times a year (6 if you count the return trips). The two times I've planned it are because it's en-route. Hopefully she sees more traffic.
Will they put something else in place of it? Or are they just going to transport everything... monuments, etc?
Monuments that are period to the Texas Revolution will stay in place. Only the ship will move. Traffic on weekdays is terrible on the La Porte side, and the Lynchburg ferries close when the weather gets bad. Galveston always gets more visitors than the ship channel area does. I did see one far fetched plan, to somehow move Texas into the Astrodome, solving 2 problems with one shot. I'm not sure it would fit or how they would ever manage to move it that far on land.....the ship measures about 600' X 100' and weighs 27,000 tons. Pretty sure it won't fit under the roof either.
They really don't have a final plan for it's permanent location yet, except by state statute, it has to be "somewhere on the upper Texas Coast". Either way, it is in bad need of repair, and Todd Shipyard at Galveston is too busy this year and next to do it this time.
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Monuments that are period to the Texas Revolution will stay in place. Only the ship will move. Traffic on weekdays is terrible on the La Porte side, and the Lynchburg ferries close when the weather gets bad. Galveston always gets more visitors than the ship channel area does. I did see one far fetched plan, to somehow move Texas into the Astrodome, solving 2 problems with one shot. I'm not sure it would fit or how they would ever manage to move it that far on land.....the ship measures about 600' X 100' and weighs 27,000 tons. Pretty sure it won't fit under the roof either.
They really don't have a final plan for it's permanent location yet, except by state statute, it has to be "somewhere on the upper Texas Coast". Either way, it is in bad need of repair, and Todd Shipyard at Galveston is too busy this year and next to do it this time.
I assume all her damage is in the hull... the touristy areas looked much better than the USS Missouri was when I visited her ~14 years ago.
Well, at least they're doing something with her. It's going to be weird, all those memorials there. No one is going to visit them without the battleship there. Do you know when they plan to pull her out of her current mooring? Might be cool to see the ship move.
You know, for some extra cash, they should rent out the bunks, or maybe even let the Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts have a sleepover on the ship as they prepare to move it into dry-dock.
Not a single thank you or even recognition from some prominent members. Nada, zero, zilch. Nothing.
Every thread pertaining to our military used to get views and it brought members together that were at odds. Now, now we have drag queen story hour and the Mueller report? Yeah, it must be us that have respect for history that are causing the strife in America.
Edit: I followed every link. Thanks for letting me sit in.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I assume all her damage is in the hull... the touristy areas looked much better than the USS Missouri was when I visited her ~14 years ago.
Well, at least they're doing something with her. It's going to be weird, all those memorials there. No one is going to visit them without the battleship there. Do you know when they plan to pull her out of her current mooring? Might be cool to see the ship move.
You know, for some extra cash, they should rent out the bunks, or maybe even let the Girl Scouts or Boy Scouts have a sleepover on the ship as they prepare to move it into dry-dock.
'Most' of the damage is in her hull, but there is also a lot of corrosion and deterioration in the superstructure and above waterline hull. 100 yrs in salt water and air is going to take a toll.
She won't be moved to the yards until late 2019 after hurricane season.
They already do let girl/boy scouts sleepover and have been doing it for a lot of years. So can any other group, young or old for a fee. I've done it with my 4H group.. it creaks and groans when a ship passes by out in the channel.
What you saw when you visited USS Texas is but a small % of the spaces and areas that used to be open to the public when I was much younger.
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Yeah, it must be us that have respect for history that are causing the strife in America. 
