The things your diet controls -Your doctor may not know what he is talking about in regards to diet, and may be medicating you unnecessarily...if this person is correct.
Yeah I know.. heard that before. I thought this guy had some good perspectives. His statistics are a TAD shocking. -
Warning Joe Rogan can tend to swear sometimes.
"Chris Kresser is a health detective specializing in investigative medicine, blogger, podcaster, teacher and a Paleo diet and lifestyle enthusiast. His new book "Unconventional Medicine" is out now"
Snippets:
"Sleeping more can equal weighing less and being healthier"
"Depression caused by your diet"
"1 in 2 Americans have a Chronic disease, 1 in 4 have multiple chronic diseases, 30% of kids have a chronic disease"
"Health insurance isn't the same thing as health care"
"Children today are expected to live shorter lifespans than their parents"
"A lot of junkfood is designed to addict you"
"Gluten intolerance" ...some thoughts on why it is increasing.
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I'll still eat Pizza To me its about the routines, if your breakfast and the lunch you take to work is decent, the stuff you eat every day because its quick and routine...you'd probably be fine. If you have a Donut or 3, a pop tart, and OJ for breakfast, and McDonalds for lunch everyday, maybe hit the vending machine, that routine might be your undoing no matter what you have for supper.
Just speaking from personal experience, when you get over-loaded time wise one of the 1st things to go in the toilet is healthy eating.
I spent YEARS surviving on whatever was cheapest and fastest to grab (and poured on a hell of a lot of weight). Eating a lot more GOOD home-cooked now BUT, I mostly work out of a home office so have the luxury of taking the time to do it. Still too many carbs, but I love my pasta and rice dishes. Last night was spaghetti with a sauce that had onions, garlic, peppers, beef, chicken and sausage. I'll use a couple jars of Classico italian sausage and red pepper, or their 4-cheese as the base and just add to it. Used to be it would have been a $5 little ceasers pizza or taco hell or a burger/fries and pop....every day, every meal.
When you have a "job" and/or on the road you don't have that, and if you are single (or spouse is equally over-loaded) then there is nobody at home to do it for you. Your kind of stuck. For a while I would spend all day Sunday cooking and freezing meals for the week, but even that fell victim to time-crunch.
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I suggest watching a documentary called the Magic Pill.( it does not promote any pharm). It has several issues that it centers around. Aboriginal death causes in Australia before and after Western Colonization. The push for refined sugars and grains and lower fats after the Roosevelt administration(wrong conclusions of vascular and heart disease). The raising of beef cattle (from when they grazed to when they were force fed corn in feed groups). Sustainable farming. Also a year long suit case against a South African doctor that exposed the wrong earlier conclusions and how the medical community, food companies sued him.(he won). How our diet makes autism symptoms worse. And finally ketogenic dieting. A lot of information that we just don't know and information that has been hidden from us. I'm 58 years old, 5'11". My father died at 59. I have an older brother who is now 61 overweight and diabetic. Before us the oldest male in my fathers line was 49. So me and my brother are pushing the percentages. I went on a Keto diet around October. Went from 231lbs to 181. That is 15 under my goal. So I can ease back off the Keto some. There are some foods I will not go back to eating as my main food sources. Next I am working on quitting smoking. Have cut down by 20%.
The raising of beef cattle (from when they grazed to when they were force fed corn in feed groups).
The "all grass fed, no GMO, No antibiotics(ever) , All natural, free-range, gluten free, no growth hormones crap is a scam put forth by fear mongers. Over 99% of the cattle in the US are raised on grass, and always have been. Steers and slaughter heifers are finished on grain, usually at around 12-18 months and are fed high protein grain rations only for the last 60-90 days. This is to make the marbling in the beef that every steak consumer wants...the little specks of fat in the meat, not the outer fat layer. No one in the US, Canada or South America raises beef strictly on corn ration. There's only one rule for raising cattle. Grass in the front and a bull behind. That's right..grass...not corn. (Hay in the winter and "maybe" some grain ration supplement if hay is poor quality, low protein, or in short supply) 1. Bovine rumens are full of flora---bacteria that break down the forage the cattle eat. 2. Corn is far too expensive to raise a cow from weaning to slaughter..you'd have more in the animal than you could ever get out of it. 3. Attempting to raise any bovine (or any ruminant for that matter) on a strictly corn diet would result in death of a very high % of your herd. Acidosis and bloat would appear within days if not hours. 4 Corn has a very high TDN level, about 85-90%. Total Digestible Nutrients, but is very low in protein. Somewhere around 8%-dry mediocre quality hay has a higher protein level and is loads cheaper than corn.
I know of only one place in the world where cattle are raised on a strictly grain and liquid diet and that is the Wagyu Black (Tajima-Gyu) cattle breed of Hyogo perfecture Japan..it's where the famous (and famously expensive) Kobe beef comes from. A frozen 16 oz ribeye ..genuine imported Kobe beef ..will run about $116 at Costco...yes, that's $7.25/oz, which is how it is served in most high end eateries.
I know these things because it is what I do.
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The "all grass fed, no GMO, No antibiotics, All natural, gluten free, no growth hormones crap is a scam put forth by fear mongers. Over 99% of the cattle in the US are raised on grass, and always have been. Steers and slaughter heifers are finished on grain, usually at around 12-18 months and are fed high protein grain rations only for the last 60-90 days. This is to make the marbling in the beef that every steak consumer wants...the little specks of fat in the meat, not the outer fat layer. No one in the US, Canada or South America raises beef strictly on corn ration. There's only one rule for raising cattle. Grass in the front and a bull behind. That's right..grass...not corn. (Hay in the winter and "maybe" some grain ration supplement if hay is poor quality, low protein, or in short supply) 1. Bovine rumens are full of flora---bacteria that break down the forage the cattle eat. 2. Corn is far too expensive to raise a cow from weaning to slaughter..you'd have more in the animal than you could ever get out of it. 3. Attempting to raise any bovine (or any ruminant for that matter) on a strictly corn diet would result in death of a very high % of your herd. Acidosis and bloat would appear within days if not hours. 4 Corn has a very high TDN level, about 85-90%. Total Digestible Nutrients, but is very low in protein. Somewhere around 8%-dry mediocre quality hay has a higher protein level and is loads cheaper than corn.
I know of only one place in the world where cattle are raised on a strictly grain and liquid diet and that is the Wagyu Black (Tajima-Gyu) cattle breed of Hyogo perfecture Japan..it's where the famous (and famously expensive) Kobe beef comes from. A frozen 16 oz ribeye ..genuine imported Kobe beef ..will run about $116 at Costco.
I know these things because it is what I do.
No way! So "Kobe Beef" means that it was strictly raised on grain and liquid diet? I had no idea. I assumed it was some silly marketing thing like saying leather from Corinth is more fancy than leather from Texas!
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: No way! So "Kobe Beef" means that it was strictly raised on grain and liquid diet? I had no idea. I assumed it was some silly marketing thing like saying leather from Corinth is more fancy than leather from Texas!
Kobe beef ONLY comes from Japan. Fed a special grain ration, massaged every day, and one of their ingredients in the ration is beer.
(There is no such thing as "rich Corinthian leather")
Kobe beef ONLY comes from Japan. Fed a special grain ration, massaged every day, and one of their ingredients in the ration is beer.
(There is no such thing as "rich Corinthian leather")
Ahh... ok, so it would be like me saying I'm growing Kona coffee in the backyard of my Florida house from coffee beans I took from Hawaii. It *isn't* because my backyard isn't in Hawaii and doesn't necessarily have the same PH and all that other jive.
I STILL, BARELY, remember Ricardo Maltaban (sp?) advertising the Chrysler Cordoba. It was so long ago, and I was SO young. I was born in the late 70s... so I was maybe 5 at most when I saw the commercial. I remember it distinctively because the commercial came on during a commercial break for the premier of Star Wars - Empire Strikes Bake on regular television (not HBO). It was the "totally redesigned" Chrysler Cordoba, and the car was placed in what looked like some super advanced space ship bay, or something. Basically the entire room was black, but he had a couple of cut-outs in the wall that were illuminated with super bright white light that had a TV screen and something else in it. It was supposed to be an homage to Star Wars in their advertising.
It was awesome... and I remember being awestruck by how cool the car was!
Please continue posting in the fashion that you see fit. I find the facts you propose and the way you tackle discussion riveting. Thanks for the level headed nature that you provide.
Healthcare starts at home.
Cordoba!
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Ahh... ok, so it would be like me saying I'm growing Kona coffee in the backyard of my Florida house from coffee beans I took from Hawaii. It *isn't* because my backyard isn't in Hawaii and doesn't necessarily have the same PH and all that other jive.
Lots more to it than 'location'. We can (and some do) raise Wagyu cattle here in the US, but it's different genetics than what is used in Japan for Kobe beef and we don't go thru the extensive feeding/pampering regimen they do..and it is telling. We cannot even get semen or embryos from those select herdsires and females..it is against Japanese law to let them out of the country.
Kobe is on the far right here, with US grade select, choice, and prime on the left. US Wagyu is not nearly as marbled as the Kobe, and that's an A-5 Kobe..there are 12 grades of "A" beef in Japan, and the one on the far right is just an A5.
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Watch the doc. It's more to do with how we have moved from large range farming to industrialized farming. How industrialized grain farm practices are destroying the prairies. My wife's cousin owns a dairy farm in upstate NY. They practiced sustainable farming. Rotating types of crops, (clover, grass/hay). The cows are migrated around a large area. Allowing grasses to regrow. They seem to do this instinctively. I know that is dairy not beef. However I had lived on a beef farm for a while. It was large enough that all was done on that farm. The cattle were never forced to feed in one area. Except during extreme cold temperatures. Then they would used stored feed. There are industrial beef companies that keep cattle in close bringing in outsourced feed. When you have that many in close proximity, many problems can occur. I do agree with you that the so called organic trend is a load of crap. They can't list there milk as organic. Due to some minor things they do to keep from loosing large parts of their herd. They don't use antibiotics in their feed, but do have vets give antibiotics if there is a scare of an outbreak in the area.
How do you compete with the large corporation owned beef growers. Around here, (circa 60s early 70s)independent growers used to be everywhere. Now around here many of those farms are gone.
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Watch the doc. It's more to do with how we have moved from large range farming to industrialized farming. How industrialized grain farm practices are destroying the prairies. My wife's cousin owns a dairy farm in upstate NY. They practiced sustainable farming. Rotating types of crops, (clover, grass/hay). The cows are migrated around a large area. Allowing grasses to regrow. They seem to do this instinctively. I know that is dairy not beef. However I had lived on a beef farm for a while. It was large enough that all was done on that farm. The cattle were never forced to feed in one area. Except during extreme cold temperatures. Then they would used stored feed. There are industrial beef companies that keep cattle in close bringing in outsourced feed. When you have that many in close proximity, many problems can occur. I do agree with you that the so called organic trend is a load of crap. They can't list there milk as organic. Due to some minor things they do to keep from loosing large parts of their herd. They don't use antibiotics in their feed, but do have vets give antibiotics if there is a scare of an outbreak in the area.
How do you compete with the large corporation owned beef growers. Around here, (circa 60s early 70s)independent growers used to be everywhere. Now around here many of those farms are gone.
That "corporate farm' jive, as far as beef production goes, is also a pile of feces. A myth invented and perpetuated by agenda driven and spread via the internet. When you ;look at their pictures, what you are seeing is feedlots..the place where farm raised cattle go fo rthe last 60-90days to be finished out. Those lots are owned by the meat packers..Tyson, JBS S.A, and a few others.
How do my cattle get to a feedlot? Like virtually every other farmer/rancher, I sell them thru the laocal sale barn..an auction. When my calves are weaned of momma, I'll separate them, put them on grass for another 4-6 months and load them to go to sale, At that salebarn, other ranchers/farmers will be there looking for a good buy to take back home, but most of the cattle sold will be bought by an order buyer. He works for the feedlots, and has a list of the type and size cattle the feedlot needs during that period. It changes all the time. Grade for grade, I get the same price for my cattle that the big guys get (King Ranch, Nolan Ryan Beef) It's all about inputs. Last year, it cost me $1.35/day per pair (momma and calf) to keep them on grass and hay thru the winter. For calves, it cost me about 60-80¢ per day, because they are on momma's milk for 5-6 months in addition to the grass they start eating at around 60 days.
I'm a business, just like every other cowman (except little wannabe hobby farmers) . Cattle are a commodity, just like currency, oil, grain and anything else and are sold on the open market with the price set by supply and demand. (poultry is way different. the packers tell the farmers what species to raise, provide the baby chicks, tell them what feed to feed and everything else. The farmer still owns the land, but he's contracted to the packer)
The main reason so many farms disappear is because: 1. The land has become more valuable if sold as residential and business real estate. 2. Many of the older farmers/ranchers are getting out due to age. It's hard work and you're tied down to the land and cattle..same with crops. 3. Young people don't want to do it because it is hard. 4. The young ones that do want to get into it, are stymied by high land cost. Don't want to go 100s of thousands of dollars into debt just to get started.
Dairy farmers more so. There is an over abundance of milk in this country and the world. It just doesn't pay for most dairy farmers to milk twice/day on a break even or loss basis, so they bail out. Can't say I blame them.
Originally posted by maryjane: The main reason so many farms disappear is because: 1. The land has become more valuable if sold as residential and business real estate. 2. Many of the older farmers/ranchers are getting out due to age. It's hard work and you're tied down to the land and cattle..same with crops. 3. Young people don't want to do it because it is hard. 4. The young ones that do want to get into it, are stymied by high land cost. Don't want to go 100s of thousands of dollars into debt just to get started.
Dairy farmers more so. There is an over abundance of milk in this country and the world. It just doesn't pay for most dairy farmers to milk twice/day on a break even or loss basis, so they bail out. Can't say I blame them.
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Our cattle could graze all day, but we grain fed them twice daily. We used something called "high-gain" grain. Dunno what that was. The cows gained 2.5-3 pounds per day. The meat was better than anything I have purchased in the store. The meat from some breeds is better than meat from other breeds, just as milk from some breeds is better than from other breeds.
Our cattle could graze all day, but we grain fed them twice daily. We used something called "high-gain" grain. Dunno what that was. The cows gained 2.5-3 pounds per day. The meat was better than anything I have purchased in the store. The meat from some breeds is better than meat from other breeds, just as milk from some breeds is better than from other breeds.
That's a good average daily gain. For where I live, feeding grain or any other ration supplement everyday doesn't pencil out. Most years, we get plenty of rain and I have more grass than I really need. I did for awhile creep feed calves beginning at 2 months to give them a jump, but I didn't see much of a difference in gain so I quit doing it and got rid of the creep feeders. I have a lot of gates on this place, so I can rotate them around to different grass as much as I need to.
I have another 40ac pasture leased about 8 miles up the road from here but I don't use it much.
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I suggest watching a documentary called the Magic Pill.( it does not promote any pharm). It has several issues that it centers around. Aboriginal death causes in Australia before and after Western Colonization. The push for refined sugars and grains and lower fats after the Roosevelt administration(wrong conclusions of vascular and heart disease). The raising of beef cattle (from when they grazed to when they were force fed corn in feed groups). Sustainable farming. Also a year long suit case against a South African doctor that exposed the wrong earlier conclusions and how the medical community, food companies sued him.(he won). How our diet makes autism symptoms worse. And finally ketogenic dieting. A lot of information that we just don't know and information that has been hidden from us. I'm 58 years old, 5'11". My father died at 59. I have an older brother who is now 61 overweight and diabetic. Before us the oldest male in my fathers line was 49. So me and my brother are pushing the percentages. I went on a Keto diet around October. Went from 231lbs to 181. That is 15 under my goal. So I can ease back off the Keto some. There are some foods I will not go back to eating as my main food sources. Next I am working on quitting smoking. Have cut down by 20%.
I've been through a long string of surgeries to restore the use of my arms (nerve problems). In the exact middle of the surgeries, after my left arm was done before starting my right arm, I started the ketogenic diet. Within 6 months I had dropped off all the weight I put on while lying around on the couch recovering, I was up and about more, I didn't require pain meds, and all the scars from the following surgeries on my right arm healed ~50% faster and are far more elastic/softer and pain free. The pre-keto scars are still kinda tough and lumpy (~20 months old) and still ache when moving. There's no "one diet for everyone", but I think it's a good idea to try different things and find something that works. I did a "food reintroduction" process after being on strict keto for one year (basically reintroducing one type of food, watching my weight and so on for a week, then reintroducing something else). This helped me find "trigger foods" that sapped my energy level and made me feel like poo. The worst triggers for me were corn, and anything that contained corn products, and normal potatoes. Sweet potatoes were totally fine (not for keto but for me).
In 18 months I have lost 90 lbs while putting on a ton of muscle. I lost 45lbs I knew I needed to lose and 45 more that I didn't realize I had :P
The initial reason I looked into keto was because of a diabetes diagnosis of a family member; the diet their doctor assigned was low carb zero sugar nearly identical to keto, so I figured - go on the diabetic friendly diet and avoid diabetes. It's great - my energy level is awesome, and an air fryer fixed the biggest time inconveniences.
Different diets work for different folks. Some people are fine as vegans, vegetarians, the typical american diet, etc. I was lucky to find the one that made me feel like the best me, I haven't been this healthy in many years.
Keto pros: - fast healing - very elastic skin - hair and nails grow fast - lower blood pressure - lower cholesterol (really surprising given what you wind up eating :P)
Keto cons: - Headaches if you don't manage your electrolytes (up your salt intake and the headaches go away.) - Leg cramps (add magnesium) - Can be a little expensive if you don't cook for yourself. (costco helps here. Lots of chicken wings and broccoli) - Can be a little inconvenient when eating out/with others. (You can usually order a bunless burger, a steak with a side of broccoli, etc.) - Terrible poos when you make a dietary mistake/accidental carb ingestion. (don't make mistakes!) - Can be time consuming vs. eating processed foods (with a sous-vide cooker and an air fryer, you can make tons of keto food quickly) - Normal foods can wind up tasting way too sweet. (not really a con to me, now a bowl of berries and heavy cream tastes as sweet as ice cream used to)
Notables: - Massively increased libido. Was a pro for me (and my wife) but if you're single it could be a con :P - It can be hard to sleep - not like insomnia, but while your body is learning to burn fat instead of glucose you can have massive energy surges so you just don't get tired. I was up for 3 days and still felt great, then slept a solid 12 hours and was back to normal. Usually happens when I am starting a "whoosh" of rapid weight loss.
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"Keto" diets are also a bunch of nonsense and fraud.
The word "Keto" in popular use now actually comes from the medical terms Ketosis and / or Ketoacidosis which are both pathologic abnormalities of the liver and pancreas.
Uncontrolled diabetes mellitus is characterized by a combination of ketosis and acidosis. Ketosis is the accumulation of substances called keytones and ketone bodies in the blood. Acidosis is increased acidity of the blood.
It is possible to put your body into what is known as "false ketosis" which is a forced, temporary, state of a type of diabetes mellitus caused by an abrupt and prolonged discontinuation of all carbohydrates. It is risky to your health and highly unnatural to the body even though it is currently being sold and propagandized as "all natural" and is being referred to as "The Keto Diet". There are medical reports that this practice can actually trigger ongoing Type 2 Diabetes in some people.
There are NO "special / magic diets" or pills or routines other than eating a regular, healthy balanced diet of sensible portions and getting physical exercise.
Losing weight means burning more calories than you take in.
It's that simple.
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Mostly when I watched the vid I thought about looking at what a bad diet its doing to you, even a typical diet, physically mentally and even emotions. Taking less pills, etc.
A place to start: Less sugar, less wheat/carbs, leaves room for healthier stuff. Steps like these seem logical to me.
Mostly when I watched the vid I thought about looking at what a bad diet its doing to you, even a typical diet, physically mentally and even emotions. Taking less pills, etc.
One of the men in that video is a talk show host, the other one is selling a book.
The book is titled UNCONVENTIONAL Medicine.
The word "unconventional" does not mean "better" or even that it is actually medical science.
Authoring and selling fad diet books and pseudoscience has been a very lucrative business model for a long time. People are always looking for the "magic bullet" to cure their real or imagined health and weight problems.
"Alternative Medicine" is the new age term for it. Nothing new about it.
There have been a lot of names for "miracle diets"
Cato's "Cabbage and Urine" Diet (175 BC) Lord Byron's "Vinegar Diet" (1800s) The Arsenic Pills Diet (Late 1800s) The Tapeworm Diet The "High Fat German Diet" (1880) The Horace Fletcher “Chew & Spit” Diet (1898) The Hereward Carrington “Fasting Cure” Diet (1911) The Cabbage Soup Diet The "Three Apples a Day" Diet The 3-Day Diet The 3-Hour Diet The 7-Day Diet The 30-Day Diet Liquid Diets The Sacred Heart Diet The Grapefruit Diet The Lemonade Diet The Hollywood Diet The Beverly Hills Diet The Scarsdale Diet The "Negative Calorie" Diet The Acai Berry Diet The "Blood Type" Diet The HCG Diet The "7-Day Color" Diet (eating only foods of one common color each day) The Sleeping Beauty Diet (1976) The South Beach Diet The Mediterranean Diet The Zone Diet The Detox Diet The Low Carb Diet The Dr Jarvis “Alkaline Diet” The Macrobiotic Diet The Perricone Diet The Glycemic Index Diet The Cambridge Diet The "Eat Subway and Lose Weight" Diet The Dr. Atkins Diet The "Cotton Ball" Diet (2013) (encouraged eating actual cotton balls each day. Users experienced intestinal obstruction and required surgery) The "Breatharianism " Diet (2017 and earlier) (claims that food and water are unnecessary,that humans can survive on sunlight and spirituality alone) The “Paleo” or "Caveman" Diet The “Keto” Diet
The full list is massive and not a single "miracle" in the bunch and a large number of them are extremely dangerous or deadly.
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One of the men in that video is a talk show host, the other one is selling a book.
The book is titled UNCONVENTIONAL Medicine.
The word "unconventional" does not mean "better" or even that it is actually medical science.
Authoring and selling fad diet books and pseudoscience has been a very lucrative business model for a long time. People are always looking for the "magic bullet" to cure their real or imagined health and weight problems.
I still look at it objectively. In the context of everything that isn't in this video.
"Keto" diets are also a bunch of nonsense and fraud.
The word "Keto" in popular use now actually comes from the medical terms Ketosis and / or Ketoacidosis which are both pathologic abnormalities of the liver and pancreas.
Uncontrolled diabetes mellitus is characterized by a combination of ketosis and acidosis. Ketosis is the accumulation of substances called keytones and ketone bodies in the blood. Acidosis is increased acidity of the blood.
It is possible to put your body into what is known as "false ketosis" which is a forced, temporary, state of a type of diabetes mellitus caused by an abrupt and prolonged discontinuation of all carbohydrates. It is risky to your health and highly unnatural to the body even though it is currently being sold and propagandized as "all natural" and is being referred to as "The Keto Diet". There are medical reports that this practice can actually trigger ongoing Type 2 Diabetes in some people.
There are NO "special / magic diets" or pills or routines other than eating a regular, healthy balanced diet of sensible portions and getting physical exercise.
Losing weight means burning more calories than you take in.
It's that simple.
Setting aside everything opinion, anecdotal, and that resulting from google searches -
My *actual* results are supported by cbc/chem-7 testing every 180 days, the involvement of a nutritionist, my doctor, my own formal medical education, and the surgeon that originally filleted me. I am not a keto "fad" dieter that ingests exogenous ketones in the interest of turning the test strips purple, I am more than qualified to understand the potential implications and ramifications of what I have done. My personal plan was crafted as a result of frequent bloodwork while doing a food elimination and reintroduction process - at the end, the data yielded that certain (most) starchy and carb-heavy foods caused substantial spikes in my insulin response and an increase in cholesterol. Once I compared the foods I could vs. could not eat, and doing research, I learned that what I was left with was essentially the base of a ketogenic diet. I refer to it as keto because it almost perfectly parallels a medically-supported insulin sensitive ketogenic diet. Once I discovered my requirements paralleled those of an established ketogenic diet, it fiscally made more sense to adopt the established plan with some modifications, as it was expensive to keep going out-of-pocket for bloodwork and frequent health diagnostics.
I am not saying everyone should blindly go try keto, I am not saying that it's great for everyone, and I am absolutely saying it should never be approached as a "diet" in the colloquial sense - I am also saying that it worked great for me, and might work great for others with a certain genetic predispositions. Different people have different nutritional requirements and sensitivities, it's in everyone's best interest to educate themselves and identify what does and does not work for them - but it should always involve medical professionals. There is plenty of documentation out there in support of *long term* benefits, as well as studies showing that those whom vacillate in and out of ketosis frequently experience substantial negatives. It's not the ketogenic diet that is bad and can cause ketoacidosis, it's poor implementation and adherence that does that.
I have no motivation to see others adopt what worked for me beyond sharing something that worked positively for me and might work positively for others. I don't benefit financially, I don't put it out there for internet cool-guy points, and I don't engage in forum arguments simply for the sake of sowing dissent. I posted this, and my original reply, to encourage people to research for themselves. All I posted was personal experience, devoid of opinion, in the interest of potentially helping others.
I don't care what diet people adopt, what I do care about is that people are aware that there are options, if what you are doing is not working, try something else.
Also, when properly in full, real ketosis, it's absurd how fast hair and fingernails grow.
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I'm Type 2 DM. I keep my A1C at around 5.9 with one simple premise. Work off the carbs with........actual WORK. Yeah, I know..a strange concept, especially for someone age 69, and no one makes any $$ of it but it 'works'. It won't make the talk shows, the cover of magazines, and you won't see any ads for it or mentions of it's value on food labels in grocery stores, and not part of the haute cuisine regimen but I just don't care. We eat lots of rice and potatoes here..yes, even the Great Satan "white" rice. I prefer the more aromatic Jamine but I'm not particular. I too, have a nutritionist, a slew of doctors, and a dietitian, and they're all in full support of doing it this way. When the weather is bad and I can't get out and do things, or if I'm caught up with my work around here I do use "alternative medicine".
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I'm Type 2 DM. I keep my A1C at around 5.9 with one simple premise. Work off the carbs with........actual WORK. Yeah, I know..a strange concept, especially for someone age 69, and no one makes any $$ of it but it 'works'. I too, have a nutritionist, a slew of doctors, and a dietitian, and they're all in full support of doing it this way.
For sure you have to tune your diet to your own body and activity level. Some people still eat like they did when they were 20, except they are not anymore and they have a sit down job, might not even excercise.
For sure you have to tune your diet to your own body and activity level. Some people still eat like they did when they were 20, except they are not anymore and they have a sit down job, might not even excercise.
With the exception of ice cream I still pretty much eat as I did when I was 20..just not as much. There are 24 hrs in a day and most jobs..sit down or t otherwise only take up 8-12 hrs. Plenty of time and options even in a city to use some of the other 12-18 hrs burning off calories and carbs. (I generally eat only 1 meal/day and have for most of my adult life. About 6-7 o'clock in the evening.)
Originally posted by FieroSTETZ: I don't put it out there for internet cool-guy points, and I don't engage in forum arguments simply for the sake of sowing dissent. I posted this, and my original reply, to encourage people to research for themselves. All I posted was personal experience, devoid of opinion, in the interest of potentially helping others.
I don't care what diet people adopt, what I do care about is that people are aware that there are options, if what you are doing is not working, try something else.
It’s nice seeing someone NOT pretending they have all the answers for everyone. Inner-weakness can be incredibly self-defeating. That don’t make the person worthless. Just weak.
That’s me, when it comes to regulating my food intake. I use food to celebrate my successes, as well as mourn my failures. And that pretty much covers every excuse I need to over-eat.
I’m incredibly envious of the ability of others to self-discipline. I just can’t seem to get there anymore. It’s weakness, plain & simple.
One of the things I have come to realize is the difference between living and dying. I'm not speaking of the absence of brain activity, no respiration or a heartbeat.
I never paid a lot of attention to these 2 lines from (2 different) movies when I 1st heard them, but nowadays, I find them spot on. "It's not dying I'm talking about. It's living" "This is how we die..the little things we deny ourselves"
I know a lot of people who are so worried about keeping breathing, they have given up what makes them "them". They are no longer living 'their' life, they are living the life someone else decided they should live, just so they aren't dying.
We hear lots of times, when someone has diminished health, perhaps nearing their end of life time and they or their family may have to make choices: "You have to consider quality of life tho"..
At what point, have we given up so much of ourselves, that we are no longer 'us' and instead of 'living', we just aren't dying? We are supposed to sacrifice our quality of life we've always had...those things we enjoyed every day? Are we really that shallow and self absorbed?
Ever see anyone with a bucket list that included "I wanna cut way back on carbs and calories just once before I go!" "I wanna try me some of that kale & almond milk!!" No? There's a reason for that.
For myself anyway, life itself is not so precious that I'm going to give up all or most of what I enjoy and what makes me "me" just to hang on to it a few more days, weeks, months or even years. I'm not a "YOLO" type at all, but I'm not afraid of death one bit, and I want to live every minute of life being me..not someone else.
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One of the things I have come to realize is the difference between living and dying. I'm not speaking of the absence of brain activity, no respiration or a heartbeat.
I never paid a lot of attention to these 2 lines from (2 different) movies when I 1st heard them, but nowadays, I find them spot on. "It's not dying I'm talking about. It's living" "This is how we die..the little things we deny ourselves"
I know a lot of people who are so worried about keeping breathing, they have given up what makes them "them". They are no longer living 'their' life, they are living the life someone else decided they should live, just so they aren't dying.
We hear lots of times, when someone has diminished health, perhaps nearing their end of life time and they or their family may have to make choices: "You have to consider quality of life tho"..
At what point, have we given up so much of ourselves, that we are no longer 'us' and instead of 'living', we just aren't dying? We are to sacrifice our quality of life we've always had.those things we enjoyed every day? Are we really that shallow and self absorbed?
Ever see anyone with a bucket list that included "I wanna cut way back on carbs and calories just once before I go!" "I wanna try me some of that kale & almond milk!!" No? There's a reason for that.
For myself anyway, life itself is not so precious that I'm going to give up all or most of what I enjoy and what makes me "me" just to hang on to it a few more days, weeks, months or even years. I'm not a "YOLO" type at all, but I'm not afraid of death one bit, and I want to live every minute of life being me..not someone else.
Quoted because it bears repeating. Listen up, kiddies.
It’s nice seeing someone NOT pretending they have all the answers for everyone. Inner-weakness can be incredibly self-defeating. That don’t make the person worthless. Just weak.
That’s me, when it comes to regulating my food intake. I use food to celebrate my successes, as well as mourn my failures. And that pretty much covers every excuse I need to over-eat.
I’m incredibly envious of the ability of others to self-discipline. I just can’t seem to get there anymore. It’s weakness, plain & simple.
Thanx for the interesting information!
:thumbs up: at the end of the day, anything that at least makes people aware of what they put into their bodies can’t be bad. For my brother, just keeping a food journal was enough to self-shame himself into eating better :P
I have a friend like you he is pretty rare, only needs about 4-5 ours of sleep too.
I used to be that way with sleep, but in recent few years, I now sleep about 6..maybe 7 hrs. Any more, and I feel like absolute crap when I wake up in the mornings, but spent most of my life sleeping 3-4, or 5 hrs a night.
What is wrong with it, is the doctors have to base their thoughts/practice on studies, that rely of funding. a few years ago maybe a decade now. we were told soy beans and soy everything was good for you. who you think paid for that study. same with corn surup is the same a sugar. crap (ad's )that they rolled out 5 years ago..
Then unless you make everything from scratch. it is all full of crap. even the organic/ natural crap people pay more for.
Ever read the label of a Gatorade?? food coloring and corn surup. but most "think" it is healthy, or healthier than soda. Same with diet soda. thinking it is better than reg soda.
or most fruit/veg juices . some are 10% reg juice. others that claim to be 100% are not. and the ones that are really 100% juice are 4.99 or more for 40 oz.
processed food is really bad. But then people THINK because it is labled "lite" or" reduced ", or fat free or low sodium . it is healthy or better for you. low fat = high sodium. low sodium or no salt added = fat added. other than can'd veg's this holds true 99.99% of the time. The FDA has been telling us since I was a child the
Who you think was backing that farce.
people ate grains, sugar,fats,salt when mothers stayed home and made most everything homemade. So the war on fats/sodium/sugars are another farce. Problem is todays processed foods have so much of it ,to have a shelf life. we get way, way to much.
People worry about if the fruit and veg's are organic. That is great and all, but isn't where the problems are stemming from.
The pre made/processed easy to make , fast to cook, or just buy and eat is. I've lost 40 lb. doing nothing but cooking/baking my meals all one day, and packaging them in containers, in the fridge or freezer. Same basic foods , that I'd normally buy ready to eat or slap in a micro. but without all the extra crap. Even bread in stores are full of added sugars. The stuff used at sub shops/pizza shops/burger shops has even more. it is nuts. Sucks that home made bread takes a long time to make.
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The FDA has been telling us since I was a child the
Who you think was backing that farce.
One thing is for sure..that wasn't the FDA. USDA, not FDA makes (and always has made) the traditional food pyramids..beginning in 1916, tho it hasn't always been in a pyramid shape.. Note there are no meats on the image you posted...
That image is a vegan food pyramid put together by the Loma Linda University School of Public Health, Department of Nutrition in 1997 and was presented to the 3rd International Congress on Vegetarian Nutrition.
One thing is for sure..that wasn't the FDA. USDA, not FDA makes (and always has made) the traditional food pyramids..beginning in 1916, tho it hasn't always been in a pyramid shape.. Note there are no meats on the image you posted...
That image is a vegan food pyramid put together by the Loma Linda University School of Public Health, Department of Nutrition in 1997 and was presented to the 3rd International Congress on Vegetarian Nutrition.[b] guess the point, even with it spelled out in wording on the right side went over your head
And, unless one was born no earlier than 1997, (making you under age 22) 'we' haven't been told that since we were children either.
Here is what the FDA food pyramids/guidance most of us grew up with actually looks/looked like:
(click thumbnail for full size version)
guess the point, even with it spelled out in wording on the right side went over your head
point being it has always been b/s crap. every single one of them. from the 1st to the latest. If you ate the servings of everything they tell you and the # of servings. everyone would be 250-350lb. but the grain farmers /dairy farmers/ fruit and veg farmers/ lifestock farmers. need to move product.
I doubt a person that was doing hard labor 10 hours a day every day could 1) find the time to eat all that, and go #2 enough. 2) burn the energy so the body didn't start storing it. even if the person was working like a slave, don't hard labor. you'd be hell bent to burn all that energy to not start packing on the lb. never mind the normal working folks. it was and still is a scam.
