Cliff, a suggestion/question about a Membership/Fiero Density Map? (Page 2/3)
blackrams NOV 16, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:
I supplied a link to that thread, so if you're really curious...

However, I suspect that Dodgerunner had originally posted a different style of map, possibly more inclusive, as I posted the following in his thread.

Sorry I can't clarify this any further, but this was more than 13 years ago and the details are getting fuzzy.



Actually, I'm not interested.

You apparently don't approve of the idea and that's fine. Your objections are noted.

Based on the lack of responses, I have to assume others aren't interested in it either. So be it,

Was just an idea, don't get excited, it'll fade away if Cliff doesn't like it.

Rams
Patrick NOV 16, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Actually, I'm not interested.



You're the one who said you were "curious".


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Originally posted by blackrams:

You apparently don't approve of the idea and that's fine. Your objections are noted.



Correct. The idea of a US only membership Density Map sucks. On the other hand, an international map would be great.


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Originally posted by blackrams:

Based on the lack of responses, I have to assume others aren't interested in it either.



It's been what, seven hours since your opening post?
blackrams NOV 16, 10:04 PM
Let me know when you get this all out of your system.
Till then

Rams
Patrick NOV 16, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

Let me know when you get this all out of your system.
Till then



What's the matter, Ron... more fun for you within O/T?
blackrams NOV 17, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by theogre:

You ignore many to a lot of members do not own a Fiero now.

Since PFF started, Many join only to ask a few Q's... Then find out too much Work, too much Time, too much $ or all 3 to fix 10 to 30 year old car and sold or junk the car.
Big Example: Fixing or Restoring Fiero Brakes alone can cost Hundreds of $ to do it right but many still want or pushes cheap fixes or worse crap "upgrades." Then Can take many hours to Days or longer to do that job and that can cause problems w/ Police, Code Enforcement and HOAs in many places.
If they can't DIY then paying a shop can cost way more.

Not just here but other sites have inflated member counts for similar reasons.

Plus any site in the EU must comply EU Privacy Laws like the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on top of whatever laws a County have.




Upon second thought, theogre is correct, although folks (that I know personally) tend to be long term Fiero owners, such a list would probably not be accurate from the start. So, with that, I withdraw the idea/suggestion.

Rams

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css9450 NOV 17, 11:02 AM
I'm just impressed this wholly unrelated discussion managed to pull a rant about cheap brake upgrades out of the woodwork.
theogre NOV 18, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by css9450:
I'm just impressed this wholly unrelated discussion managed to pull a rant about cheap brake upgrades out of the woodwork.

100%

Unlike you, blackrams and some others can read the whole post.
Many can switch that example to any other problems get same result that sold or junk the car and for same reasons.

Many to most get Used Cars and when have any problems that will cost a lot, Often same or more $ then they paid for the car, then they sold traded or junk them.
Maybe Some old PFF members was first owner but for most... car not worth spending a lot $ to fix 15+ years car in 2000 and later.

Replacing Duke Timing Gear cost time, money, and when owner can't DIY expect to pay $500 $1000 or more.
Many posted w/ Fiero V6 low Oil Pressure... Told to check w/ a real gauge, if has real low pressure then have problems. Yet many still push that is Normal. Shop dropping the oil pan for any reason cost money. Replacing oil pump is often not the problem but many will try and charge you. Most shops now won't replace crack/rod bearings etc. or replacing the engine either on 20+ year old car because most won't pay.

If an owner could do the work... Often can't keep disable cars or work on them on the street or in your driveway even for a day in many places.
Parked in driveway can get legal headaches from HOA City or County. More so if parts are off over night or no current tags.
Parked on street can get the car ticketed or towed in a few hours to next day. Worse if you live in cities w/ alternate side street parking like some sections of Syracuse NY.

So a lot join to post one or few Q's then gone for these and more reasons and many sold or junk the car soon after And why this map idea is fairly useless.
Many people never intended to do anything else or bother w/ TO/T or other new sections.
Some joined just to sell their Fiero.

Other Forums have similar issues and not just for cars.
da.slyboy NOV 18, 10:23 AM
This actually isn't a bad idea. If Cliff has the time and ability it is a good suggestion for addition. A option to make the list somewhat accurate is to place a timer on a the registered location. Say that every location placed done by a member, will expire and fall off the map after a year. Yes, this would mean a member would have to re-up every year, but with a reminder email it is doable and would provide a more accurate list of active members.
blackrams NOV 18, 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by da.slyboy:

This actually isn't a bad idea. If Cliff has the time and ability it is a good suggestion for addition. A option to make the list somewhat accurate is to place a timer on a the registered location. Say that every location placed done by a member, will expire and fall off the map after a year. Yes, this would mean a member would have to re-up every year, but with a reminder email it is doable and would provide a more accurate list of active members.



My idea was to some how tie it into a time clock that reset whenever a member posted. After a certain time frame (Cliff would decide on) if the member didn't post, the marker on the map would vanish. But, I'm not computer literate enough to build such a map or connection to posting. Doesn't matter, the distraction already brought up in this thread was enough for me to not go forward with any other suggestions.

Rams
reinhart NOV 18, 04:33 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Oh yeah, asking the Dutch administrator of this site for a Fiero Density map limited to the US because you "aren't likely to be" in other countries should go over well. Sure, just ignore all the PFF members located in Canada, the UK, Australia, the Netherlands, France, Mexico, etc. Geez man...



Well considering GM only sold Fieros in US and Canada it would make a lot of sense. Also I don't have the exact number but it was probably like 97 percent US and 3 percent Canada. So basically 97 percent of Fieros were sold in the US. Those in Europe and overseas would be extremely rare as it would be expensive to ship and do conversions to make compliant. A US heat map would likely cover 95 percent of all Fieros around today.