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| Found a hilarious anti-Fiero comment posted recently on YouTube (Page 3/4) |
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cvxjet
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DEC 07, 07:30 PM
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That Hall & Oates Fiero poster is one of the most cringe-worthy things I have ever seen; I know I am old-fashioned but a guy sprawled across the hood of a car just does NOT look right....
I also remember the 1985 Fiero GT commercial with a guy trying to thumb a ride- he turns down two beautiful women in 2 separate Fiero 4 cylinders, then jumps up and tries to get a ride with a woman in a GT (V6) but she drives on by. The guy got what he deserved- but some who saw this commercial then decided that the Fiero was a "Chick-car"...
Once again, the Fiero performed as good as the normal-aspirated RX-7 and 300 ZX....But almost everyone thinks it is gutless
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Valkrie9
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DEC 07, 09:33 PM
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weaselbeak
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DEC 23, 01:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
That Hall & Oates Fiero poster is one of the most cringe-worthy things I have ever seen; I know I am old-fashioned but a guy sprawled across the hood of a car just does NOT look right....
I also remember the 1985 Fiero GT commercial with a guy trying to thumb a ride- he turns down two beautiful women in 2 separate Fiero 4 cylinders, then jumps up and tries to get a ride with a woman in a GT (V6) but she drives on by. The guy got what he deserved- but some who saw this commercial then decided that the Fiero was a "Chick-car"...
Once again, the Fiero performed as good as the normal-aspirated RX-7 and 300 ZX....But almost everyone thinks it is gutless |
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I owned both at the same time. The 86 300ZX was a nice car, loved the headlight setup. It was a never ending POS, always something wrong with it. It sat in my driveway right next to my 86 GT, which was a good car by any measure. Both were red. I have 5 adult children, and often they would borrow the Fiero. None ever borrowed the Nissan. I usually had to complain after a couple of days to get it brought back. I still have the Fiero, however it's now a 3800 swap.[This message has been edited by weaselbeak (edited 12-23-2021).]
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2.5
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DEC 23, 11:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by weaselbeak:
I owned both at the same time. The 86 300ZX was a nice car, loved the headlight setup. It was a never ending POS, always something wrong with it. It sat in my driveway right next to my 86 GT, which was a good car by any measure. Both were red. I have 5 adult children, and often they would borrow the Fiero. None ever borrowed the Nissan. I usually had to complain after a couple of days to get it brought back. I still have the Fiero, however it's now a 3800 swap.
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Alot of people forget the cluster of issues alot of foreign cars had, low miles or not. Some of them look good sitting in the driveway, when they work they are fun, (when they work). Costs to repair being higher, etc.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 12-23-2021).]
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seq
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DEC 24, 01:53 PM
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Weird Anti-Nader comments are just as common as weird Anti-Fiero comments. It's been a few decades since I've looked at his book, so I'm just refreshing my memory from Wikipedia. But his book was't bad, even if the Corvair wasn't quite as unsafe in practice as he thought it would be.
| quote | Originally posted by cvxjet:
Ralphy "Naidir" wrote his book- basically a hate book about GM and American auto industry. He centered most of his hate on the Corvair, which was dangerous because of the rear-engine design and swing-axle rear suspension. Never complained about the VW bug (Same lay-out/suspension) or the 911 (Rear engine).... |
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The Corvair is just Chapter 1 of his book. He levelled legit criticisms at it (recommended tire pressures were weird, and outside of norms at the time), and cited somebody working on the car as recommending a stabilizer bar which was overruled by GM for cost reasons.
The other chapters of his book also dealt with legitimate concerns -- distracting/shiny dashes being dangerous, non-standard gear orders (which we don't have now). He tackled crash safety, pollution, pedestrian safety -- all things that are standard in car design now, but were not when he wrote his book.
| quote | | Originally posted by cvxjet:In 1973 the NHTSA tested the 1st-gen Corvair against the '73 cars- The Corvair was better handling and SAFER than all of the new cars! |
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The overall conclusions of the NHTSA report range from "comparable" to "at least as good", not "Safer".
The NHTSA itself was founded as a result of his criticisms at the industry's safety record. It -- and the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards it enforces -- didn't exist when his book was published.
| quote | | Originally posted by cvxjet:And good ole Ralphy- He never had a license, never drove a car! Can you spell.....I*M*B*E*C*I*L*E? |
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Not sure how his driving record is relevant. I drive every day, and it doesn't give me any particular insight into safe suspension design. I'm sure airbag designers are not required to crash with their designs (And I don't need to be in an accident with a Takata airbag to know they're unsafe).
His book helped kick off a movement to change an entire industry for the better. He's responsible for a considerable number of saved lives. But sure, he sucks because "GM cancelled a car I like".
I wish there was somebody like Nader today, publicly going after every car company re-inventing the shifter currently with different knob, dial, and button styles, which can either be confusing (somehow requiring three hours to explain that it isn't), but also sometimes unsafe (Like the ones that FCA had to recall after a number of roll-aways -- such as the one that killed Anton Yelchin).
Time and again, the auto industry has proven that it will be willing to sacrifice safety and quality to save money (whether that's faulty ignition switches from GM, faulty gear shifters from FCA, or faulty transmissions from Ford). People holding them account and forcing improvement shouldn't be unfairly criticized -- especially before any federal standards or enforcement bodies existed.
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1987 Fiero GT : Information | Gallery[This message has been edited by seq (edited 12-24-2021).]
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Valkrie9
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DEC 25, 12:21 AM
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See ?
Logical arguments persuading people to think rationally.
Used to be carnage on the highways, true.
Things are getting better, safer to survive the random drunks and idiots.
Motor company boards don't make decisions based on profit loss, but rather, are forced to comply.
Used to be, the exhaust went out the pipes with all the unburned leaded fuel.
So, yeah, Ralph Nader wasn't the boogie man commie nut case the media made him out to be, pure media bs.
To this day they still lie to you, all bs all day long, spoon fed to you, some stank pablum.
Take a trip down memory lane, get a whiff of the fumes in the '60s, no seatbelts.
Driving Los Angeles '60s
Merry Christmas !
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 25, 04:53 PM
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I hear the comments every now and then, but never rude or insisting
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Patrick
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DEC 25, 09:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Valkrie9:
Take a trip down memory lane, get a whiff of the fumes in the '60s, no seatbelts.
Driving Los Angeles '60s
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Too bad the uploader of that video didn't retain the correct aspect ratio, but I downloaded it to watch in 4:3 as opposed to the distorted 16:9.
I counted four Corvairs... and two VW Beetles.
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cvxjet
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DEC 25, 10:52 PM
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Seq, Ralph was a complete idiot; Yes, his BS did lead to improved safety...But he unfairly singled out the Corvair and GM. The VW Bug was far more dangerous, and even the Porsches were unsafe unless you were an experienced driver who had read up on 911's handling faults- and then were smart enough to accept them as fact.
Everything Ralph did was (Basically) to attract attention to himself; Never was he truly interested in other people's welfare...Only pumping his own image up.
There were mistakes by GM- and all car manufacturers. The Corvair could have led us down the path to smaller, more efficient cars a decade earlier with some slight improvements to it.
Car & Drival's whole operating mantra was "Hate America"....mind you, the US car companies deserve a lot of blame for stupidity- driven by hubris; "We don't have to worry about quality or small cars- We are the biggest company in the world!" But when they started to turn around, then CD (And the other mags) should have been willing to recognize that- instead they continually heaped scorn on US products- leading to even more damage than these companies deserved.
Spouting more untruths does not correct the original lie- or mistake. Truth is what we need more of- everywhere.
Read the 1985 GT Fiero tests in R&T and MT...Then read the CD test and tell me they are talking about the same car; Lies and BS slanted to hurt the Fiero. Instead of flaming on the Fiero hard, tell me the cars real faults and how the car can be improved- but don't inflate a small problem into a towering BS-fire.
Once again, Ralph was a giant ego inhabiting a petty little "man".......
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Valkrie9
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DEC 26, 02:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Too bad the uploader of that video didn't retain the correct aspect ratio, but I downloaded it to watch in 4:3 as opposed to the distorted 16:9.
I counted four Corvairs... and two VW Beetles. |
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I selected that photo because I recognize all of them.
There in the right lane is Suzanne's '60 Olds 88 that she would park in the drive while she visited, in '60.
'61 Buick Invicta in front, the VW I bought in '73, center lane four back is the '59 Ford Wagon the folks traded in on the '63 Squire wagon front left lane.
A pair of '56 Dodges, '56 Ford Victoria, '63 Galaxie 500.
All of them spewing, completely normal traffic.
The brand new Corvair is the most interesting to me today, working on madifications, for custom looks and utility.
Making the ' Early Vair ' a sportscar Spyder for the '63 market, yeah, turbos.
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