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Patrick
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JUL 18, 02:19 AM
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This video does not involve a Fiero, but instead of posting this in O/T, I wanted to make sure that the guys and gals who work on their cars here at PFF see this video. It could save your life!
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cvxjet
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JUL 18, 12:39 PM
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Brakes.....or....Breaks..?
Everybody wants >>POWER<<.....but handling...brakes......Those don't make me go faster! My father emphasized that a car should preform good in ALL ways.
That video is hard to watch...and the guy who owns/drives that car may feel really bad over this accident...But this is a great (Bad) example to all of us mechanics...Everything must work good-to-great for safety reasons....
Oh, yes, either wear a shoulder harness, or add some ketchup to that dash before you "munch it"!
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A_Lonely_Potato
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JUL 18, 01:58 PM
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i saw this a couple days ago. dumbass was riding the brakes AT ALL TIMES when out drivng because it would idle up and put him over the speed limit. i don't remember how long he was out, but gave himself some brake fade...
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and maybe he should have been wearing this handy dandy harness behind him
 [This message has been edited by A_Lonely_Potato (edited 07-18-2022).]
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theogre
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JUL 18, 02:23 PM
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"Don't ignore brake issues!" Is Very True But this Video is blaming "the Brake?" Big Problem with that claim...
~ 4:47 says (Paraphrase) "Smelling Brakes?" "I'm riding the brakes because of high idle."
This Very Likely Means the Moron Cause the Wreck because the Fluid Boiling resulting in Brake Failure.
Even New Fluid can Boil from Dragging the Brake for any reason. Just takes longer to reach boil temp but they where planing to drive more...
For Reference:
~ 5:26 Trying to "stop" as he put in Park that let Park Pawl to "rachet" making that sound because car is moving. This Does Nothing in Most cars. But If going slow/slower, the Pawl might engage then break and do nothing, break other drivetrain parts or lock up the rear and spin out. Putting in Reverse may help or not depending on transmission. Trans can just break things or lock the rear trying that.
They best hope the people that he hit doesn't sees this because easily get put out as Evidence if suing him and AutotopiaLA. The Lawyers will likely want all raw video too.
Driver's Insurance Co may review this causing "problems" too even if Statute of limitations have expired for the "accident" itself.------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)
The Ogre's Fiero Cave
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Patrick
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JUL 18, 05:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theogre:
"Don't ignore brake issues!" Is Very True But this Video is blaming "the Brake?" Big Problem with that claim...
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Ogre, give me a break.  I could only mention so much in the topic heading, and it was a lack of brakes that caused the accident. The hydraulic brakes failed (due to brake fluid boiling, due to riding the brakes, due to a sticking throttle making the automatic equipped car go too fast)... and there was a total lack of a hand/emergency/parking brake, mentioned at 9:14 of the video.
Those two fellas were so fortunate that all those mounted cameras (both inside their car and on the chase/film vehicle) didn't record their deaths. Can you imagine if the guy had "booted" it with all that horsepower shortly prior to impact!  [This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 07-18-2022).]
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PhatMax
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JUL 18, 07:43 PM
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Sooooooo no E break ? Also, why would you not kill the motor….he had time.
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Patrick
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JUL 18, 08:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by PhatMax:
Sooooooo no E break ?
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According to the host of that video, this seems to be rather common with these type of show builds... which might be okay if they were never driven!
| quote | Originally posted by PhatMax:
Also, why would you not kill the motor….he had time.
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I wondered the same thing, especially considering the driver was fully aware that the throttle was sticking and not allowing the engine RPM to slow to an idle. Perhaps "panic mode" kicked in.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 07-18-2022).]
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theogre
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JUL 18, 09:37 PM
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Patrick
The thread Topic is fine but that video is their PR spin that likely fools many people.
| quote | Originally posted by PhatMax:
Sooooooo no E break ? Also, why would you not kill the motor….he had time. |
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No E-brake = Illegal for street use in many places even if doesn't inspect this but not in CA according to some members... Also Emergency/Parking Brakes "by law" require them to be Fully Mechanical. So you never get "line locks" and other hydro methods for this function in most places.
Very Likely Line Locks etc won't work in this case after the Fluid was Boiling.
(Electric P-brakes are only powered to apply and release and do not hold the brake on.)
Kill the motor won't help w/ auto trans. TC shell attach to flex plate also drive the trans pump. No engine, no pump, no hyrdo pressure to do anything.
But shifting down often will help and a lot on most cars. D to 2 then 1 for many old GM and Ford units will "Trans brake" the car. But the High Idle problem could make that not to work right if at all.
Example: I did that often on 1 long steep hill where lived because of sharp turn in the middle and to prevent brake fade etc. But you don't to that all the time either because will cook the trans oil from overheating at minimum. (This hill has most trucks of any size going slow up and down even after state modified the curve to somewhat of a less sharp turn.)[This message has been edited by theogre (edited 07-18-2022).]
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RichLo1
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JUL 19, 10:28 AM
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This video is going around everywhere. Its useful to remind car guys to double check all of their safety equipment... BUT that youtuber is an idiot for posting the full video showing the owner knew the breaks were bad before driving the car. Then showing the lead-up with him smelling breaks and the throttle sticking and the idle was set way too high! The youtuber did this to make a viral video and when the lawsuit eventually comes (It will!) I wonder if he will give the car owner any of that youtube money to help with lawyer fees and settlement money? I doubt it.
Both the owner of the car and the youtuber should be liable for this accident, they both knew something was wrong way before the breaks locked up. Once the youtuber smelled breaks they should have pulled over and fixed the idle at a minimum.
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David Hambleton
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JUL 19, 12:07 PM
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TURN THE ENGINE OFF. The results will likely be less damaging than crashing while the engine is still powering against the brakes, however diminished they may be.
We had a 1952 GMC pickup truck/orchard truck on the farm when I was a kid. One day the gas pedal stuck, so I turned the engine off.
I wonder how many 'unintended acceleration' catastrophes could have been mitigated by turning the key off...  [This message has been edited by David Hambleton (edited 07-19-2022).]
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