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Ok... so I just bought this... (for my V6 Fiero) (Page 1/2) |
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 05:09 PM
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I've been eyeing it for MONTHS...
... and noticed the seller added a "Make Offer" button, so I offered him $425... which, honestly... I know it's worth more than that. but he took it.
Here's the bad part. It's 2.5"s diameter (assumed interior diameter).
I intend to use it on my 1987 Fiero SE/V6 5-Speed, which will have a 3.4 V6/60 in it. I already have the engine sitting in a plastic crate. It has mildly ported heads, port-matched intake runners, intake, and plenum. It will have the H272 cam w/ 1.52:1 roller rockers (brand new cam, just haven't installed it), and the hogged out exhaust manifolds along with a ceramic coated "performance" 2" Y-Pipe (the one the Fiero Store was selling years ago where they re-welded the "Y" for better flow), and I'm going to do the DAWG mod on the plenum... and will likely even ship the whole thing out to an extrude-hone vendor once I get the DAWG mod done... just for the sake of it.
All of that to say, obviously... that I think the exhaust is just too big. I used to remember how to do the math, and with everything being optimal, the ideal exhaust size came out to 2.25".
I'm still happy with my purchase, but wanted to know your guy's thoughts on this. Is this exhaust way too big? Will it hurt / affect performance, or should I see a performance increase over my Ocelot 2" aluminized NON-mandrel-bent exhaust that's on there already?
Note: I plan to fit a proper stainless catalytic converter in place of the straight-through bolt-on piece that it comes with.
Bonus Question: without a muffler... but WITH a correctly-sized catalytic converter... will the exhaust be absurdly loud and obnoxious? Last time I drove my Fiero (like, it was actually running, and not pushing it on a trailer) I was 24 years old. I'm almost 46 years old.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-22-2024).]
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richard in nc
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FEB 22, 06:01 PM
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i straight piped my buick reatta and it sounds great with only the stock cat but it exhaust is much longer.
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1985 Fiero GT
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FEB 22, 07:18 PM
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A tired stock v6 with the Ocelot SS exhaust is a bit quiet, really rich nice note to it, but a little quiet. A good shape 2.8 with all stock exhaust and ported exhaust manifolds, had a good volume, and is a bit rowdy sounding, some decel pop, etc. I can only imagine with a more powerful upgraded 3.4, no muffler is going to be pretty loud, my dad's Cutlass (3.3 v6) had the muffler fall off one day, it was loud enough to hear it coming on a winding road for at least 1/4km, sounded like an asthmatic jet engine mixed with the static from a radio, load, bad sounding. On a 3.4, probably the Ocelot SS system will sound like the stock engine stock exhaust volume wise, but much richer, don't know about Ocelot aluminized. Stock exhaust system will sound louder, and even more rowdy, and straight piped will be probably louder then you might want, and the sound may or may not be better or worse.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 07:24 PM
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quote | Originally posted by richard in nc:
i straight piped my buick reatta and it sounds great with only the stock cat but it exhaust is much longer. |
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Do you get any popping or anything like that from the exhaust on deceleration? How is it at idle?
I think I've seen your Reatta before in some pictures. Man, I love that car... it's such a bad-ass little car. I wish it was RWD, but being FWD isn't really a big deal. Did you ever do anything with the engine, or did you keep it stock. Considering that it has a 3.8 liter in the front, it's like... totally ripe for swapping in a 3800 Series-II SuperCharged.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 07:51 PM
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quote | Originally posted by 1985 Fiero GT:
A tired stock v6 with the Ocelot SS exhaust is a bit quiet, really rich nice note to it, but a little quiet. A good shape 2.8 with all stock exhaust and ported exhaust manifolds, had a good volume, and is a bit rowdy sounding, some decel pop, etc. I can only imagine with a more powerful upgraded 3.4, no muffler is going to be pretty loud, my dad's Cutlass (3.3 v6) had the muffler fall off one day, it was loud enough to hear it coming on a winding road for at least 1/4km, sounded like an asthmatic jet engine mixed with the static from a radio, load, bad sounding. On a 3.4, probably the Ocelot SS system will sound like the stock engine stock exhaust volume wise, but much richer, don't know about Ocelot aluminized. Stock exhaust system will sound louder, and even more rowdy, and straight piped will be probably louder then you might want, and the sound may or may not be better or worse. |
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LOL... hahah... yeah, I can't even imagine. It's going to be a while before I can even get to it... but I'm wondering if I can make use of the end (modify it), or at the very least... I can use everything UP TO the point where the last part bolts up. I have the Ocelot system already on there. I think I mispoke... it's "aluminized stainless steel" (whatever that is). Basically the 2" exhaust they sell from the Fiero Store. At a minimum, I can replace all the crap I already have in there, and then where the very last piece bolts into the rest of the exhaust system, I can simply cut the exhaust on my Ocelot and weld a flange to the Ocelot side so I can simply bolt it in.
I'm having all kinds of dreams about what I want to do with that engine, and La Fiera's post didn't help me. Haha... I want my engine and engine bay to look VERY stock... but I'm seriously considering spending an inordinate amount of money balancing the **** out of that motor and going the extra mile so that I can squeeze every hp out of that stock looking engine. I just don't want to go nuts because at the end of the day, I am an old-ass man at this point... and not the 18 year old that used to drive it around.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 08:22 PM
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Alright... well... son of a ***** .
I found West Coast Fieros. I had discounted that site years ago because there was a big disclaimer stating that they no longer made exhausts because there was a back-log, this and that. But I found this:
It didn't stop me this time... I was able to go through the ENTIRE process... entered my credit card number, clicked submit... and it said order placed. So, either they had one left, or... they are no longer back-logged and they're making headers again.
Man, I know this is not the best financial thing to do... but this is my baby... I mean, I actually have a baby (she's 15 now), but this is my non-familial baby. I've had my 87 Fiero since I was just a month shy of 18 years old. And I want it a certain way that it will bring back the fun I had when I was younger, but also give me a bit more power.
I ordered the 304 Stainless Steel Shorty Headers set, along with the matching Stainless Steel Y-Pipe.
I ordered it with 2.5" exhaust so it'll mate up perfectly with the 2.5" exhaust system I just bought.
It'll be awesome whenever I eventually get this car out of storage... lol...
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1985 Fiero GT
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FEB 22, 09:04 PM
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quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Alright... well... son of a ***** .
I found West Coast Fieros. I had discounted that site years ago because there was a big disclaimer stating that they no longer made exhausts because there was a back-log, this and that. But I found this:
It didn't stop me this time... I was able to go through the ENTIRE process... entered my credit card number, clicked submit... and it said order placed. So, either they had one left, or... they are no longer back-logged and they're making headers again.
Man, I know this is not the best financial thing to do... but this is my baby... I mean, I actually have a baby (she's 15 now), but this is my non-familial baby. I've had my 87 Fiero since I was just a month shy of 18 years old. And I want it a certain way that it will bring back the fun I had when I was younger, but also give me a bit more power.
I ordered the 304 Stainless Steel Shorty Headers set, along with the matching Stainless Steel Y-Pipe.
I ordered it with 2.5" exhaust so it'll mate up perfectly with the 2.5" exhaust system I just bought.
It'll be awesome whenever I eventually get this car out of storage... lol... |
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Nice! The Fiero store offers 2 seperate exhaust systems, full stainless steel (slightly different, more modern looking exhaust tips) and "aluminized steel" I think I've heard it called galvanized or something. I understand how you feel about your car, I'm actually 18 right now, owned my Fiero for 10 months (and 12,000km ), only thing keeping me from doing literally everything to it is money, but I have a seasonal job at a garage that pays quite well, so come springtime my Fiero will have many presents! Even so, this winter I've done a lot to my Fiero, engine bay is clean, shiny, painted, polished, etc. engine should make 10-15 more hp then last fall, interior is cleaner, all speakers are new, (and a 10" sub behind the dash), and I will have polished wheels and new tires come spring.[This message has been edited by 1985 Fiero GT (edited 02-22-2024).]
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IMSA GT
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FEB 22, 09:49 PM
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quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Man, I know this is not the best financial thing to do... |
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I have a motto to just go balls-out when you really want something. You'll make more money
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 23, 02:31 PM
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quote | Originally posted by IMSA GT:
I have a motto to just go balls-out when you really want something. You'll make more money |
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Well... this is true... but I also get weird spending money on car stuff because I know it's a net-negative. But I view my Fiero (and the experience my daughter is going through) as a long term thing. I also painfully realize that if I see things I want for my Fiero, that are custom-made for the Fiero... if I don't get them now, I'll never be able to get them again.
I recall the "group buy" that happened for the Fiero Borla V6 exhaust system... or Herb Adams "bump steer kit," or pretty much everything in my late 90s Big Fiero Parts Book that I have...
Hah...
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lateFormula
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FEB 24, 05:09 PM
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There are formulas that can be found online to calculate the proper exhaust tubing diameter. Doing the long math is really only critical if you are going to make a custom set of headers. If you use those calculations for the rest of the exhaust system, you're gonna find that even the long math is pretty much always going to come up with the same tubing diameter as the old general rule of "one inch of tubing diameter for every 100 horsepower". This simple rule applies to single exhaust systems only, I don't know if there is a similar rule of thumb for true dual exhaust systems.
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