Who's in charge of the border? (Page 14/15)
BingB AUG 15, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by randye:



I am just responding to this


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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
unless the Asperger's caused you to miss the obvious.
BingB AUG 15, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
as you've slowly changed what it was you said originally, to what it is now.


I never changed anything.

You can't argue with what I actually say, so you lie and claim I said something else.

But, just out of curiosity what is this section *** that he keeps mentioning. You don't claim it exists do you?
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 16, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:

I probably should have thanked Raydar for the info




No **** ... you think so Jim / Fred / Bing?

A normal person would thank someone for the help and support they give.



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Originally posted by BingB:

I never changed anything.




You said, "they struck down Title 42." They did no such thing... and you continue to change and misrepresent what you said... because you LOST your "fight" with CliffW, and that bothers you.
NewDustin AUG 16, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Since when is it illegal to apply for asylum?




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Originally posted by cliffw:
?
Who said it was ?


The administration of Donald J Trump did. That was the entire purpose of "Zero Tolerance" immigration policy: Folks have to come to a US point of entry to file for asylum. At that point, Zero Tolerance insists we arrest them, charge them with the crime of illegal entry, then allow them to file a defensive asylum claim if they want to stay present in the US. It makes the first step of the asylum process (coming to the US to apply for it) illegal.
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 16, 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:

The administration of Donald J Trump did. That was the entire purpose of "Zero Tolerance" immigration policy: Folks have to come to a US point of entry to file for asylum. At that point, Zero Tolerance insists we arrest them, charge them with the crime of illegal entry, then allow them to file a defensive asylum claim if they want to stay present in the US. It makes the first step of the asylum process (coming to the US to apply for it) illegal.





Well, the policy was "Remain in Mexico." They could apply at the border, but it doesn't mean they get to come in.
NewDustin AUG 16, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Well, the policy was "Remain in Mexico." They could apply at the border, but it doesn't mean they get to come in.


That is a fair point, but it's still not how actually seeking asylum works. You don't cross thousands of miles with your family and only remaining possessions on your back, with little-to-no access to information, then all of a sudden understand there is a specific place you needed to go to fill out a specific form. You follow everyone else North, hoping you don't end up dead, until the border patrol picks you up.

What the Trump administration changed is that after you get picked up, before you have a chance to claim asylum, you get charged with a crime, forcibly separated from your children, sent back to Mexico (where you weren't even from) and told to wait there for months, without access to basic resources, communications, transportation, translation, or legal advice. While waiting with that lack of resources, you'll have to make repeated trips back to the appropriate border place (utilizing the resources you don't have) for an ever-changing court date.

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BingB AUG 17, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


You said, "they struck down Title 42." They did no such thing... and you continue to change and misrepresent what you said... because you LOST your "fight" with CliffW, and that bothers you.




I did not post my own opinion. I posted the Supreme Court decision on the case. And it NEVER CHANGED, but despite this you continued to insist that Biden could use Title 42 to control immigration even though there was no longer a medical crisis.


Now please tell me the section the CliffW keeps mentioning. I he is correct then what part of Title 42 is he talking about?

And nothing about this discussion "bothers me" at all. In fact I love it whenever Cliff brings it up. It makes you two look like clowns.
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 17, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:

What the Trump administration changed is that after you get picked up, before you have a chance to claim asylum, you get charged with a crime, forcibly separated from your children, sent back to Mexico (where you weren't even from) and told to wait there for months, without access to basic resources, communications, transportation, translation, or legal advice. While waiting with that lack of resources, you'll have to make repeated trips back to the appropriate border place (utilizing the resources you don't have) for an ever-changing court date.





No, this is not true at all. You know this.

This is the exact same policy that Obama had, and used. He had more people in cages than Trump ever did. This is preposterous that you'd even suggest this.

And yes, that is perfectly acceptable to do. There are tons of consulates and places where you can apply for asylum in their own countries. I know, I've been all over Central America when I worked for U.S. SOUTHCOM.

The problem is, they aren't interested in doing that. They hope that by making that trip, they will get to stay in America because they'll simply avoid the law. Our country is being destroyed because we cannot afford it. They would not be coming here if they weren't automatically getting benefits. Again, total misrepresentation of the facts... either intentionally, or you just didn't know.
cliffw AUG 17, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Since when is it illegal to apply for asylum?




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Originally posted by cliffw:
?
Who said it was ?




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Originally posted by NewDustin:
The administration of Donald J Trump did. That was the entire purpose of "Zero Tolerance" immigration policy: Folks have to come to a US point of entry to file for asylum. At that point, Zero Tolerance insists we arrest them, charge them with the crime of illegal entry, then allow them to file a defensive asylum claim if they want to stay present in the US. It makes the first step of the asylum process (coming to the US to apply for it) illegal.



If what you say is true, it is not illegal to apply. One can always apply for asylum in the United States at the United States Embassy in their country. Also in the first country they arrive at fleeing persecution.
cliffw AUG 17, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:
I did not post my own opinion. I posted the Supreme Court decision on the case. And it NEVER CHANGED, but despite this you continued to insist that Biden could use Title 42 to control immigration even though there was no longer a medical crisis.



You have never posted the Supreme Court decision making it illegal to use Title 42, Sec *** to control immigration !