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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 26, 06:40 PM
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There isnt one and you know it...
Kind of irrelevant, though. Yours seems about as useless as tits on a boar.
It's NOT a right anymore, it's a privilege so long as you have paid the tax stamps, taken the courses, done the right paperwork, jumped through the hoops and passed the "right-think" background check, and only want "approved" items. THEN sit back and wait for permission. Oh, and dont try and by-pass any of that by getting somebody else to buy it for you.
Doesn't sound like a "right" to me.
You can call it "The Federal Government" or call it "The Crown". Same **** . Same stink. Different place for the pile is all.
In fact, in that area we have slightly more "freedom" here. Anything legally an "antique firearm" has no restrictions. Buy, sell and trade like base-ball cards if you want. No licences, no checks, no nothing.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 03-26-2022).]
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randye
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MAR 26, 07:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
There isnt one and you know it...
Kind of irrelevant, though. Yours seems about as useless as tits on a boar.
It's NOT a right anymore, it's a privilege so long as you have paid the tax stamps, taken the courses, done the right paperwork, jumped through the hoops and passed the "right-think" background check, and only want "approved" items. THEN sit back and wait for permission.
Doesn't sound like a "right" to me.
You can call it "The Federal Government" or call it "The Crown". Same **** . Same stink. Different place for the pile is all.
In fact, in that area we have slightly more "freedom" here. Anything legally an "antique firearm" has no restrictions. Buy, sell and trade like base-ball cards if you want. No licences, no checks, no nothing.
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You have very serious misconceptions about U.S. gun laws.
Absolutely NOBODY in my state of Florida, or in the vast majority of all U.S. states, has to "pay tax stamps", get a license, take a course, or "pass a "right-think" background check".
We can walk into any of thousands of gun stores, purchase a pistol, rifle, shotgun, (all of them semiautomatic), and buy all the ammunition we wish to and the only requirement is that we clear a background check to make certain that you aren't a convicted felon or non-citizen which is lawfully prohibited from owning a firearm.
THAT'S IT
There are no state or federal lists of citizens that own firearms or what firearms they own, (except in a very few Leftist controlled states and cities).
We can also "pay a $200 tax stamp", it's actually a real stamp on a form that has a stamp that resembles a postage stamp and it has a cancellation mark imprinted over the stamp. I know this because I have TWO of them, and you pass a short criminal background check and then legally own a fully automatic weapon....a/k/a "MACHINE GUN" if we wish to.
As for "antique firearms" we have them available in pawn shops, thrift stores, rummage sales and every other venue imaginable without restriction.
We aren't forced to play around with children's toys like BB and pellet guns and slingshots like Canadian subjects...
....and we don't have Canadian style "hate speech" courts / tribunals....
[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-27-2022).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 26, 07:12 PM
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And we don't have to settle for Canadian bacon.
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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 26, 07:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
We aren't forced to play around with children's toys like BB and pellet guns and slingshots.....
....and we don't have Canadian style "hate speech" courts / tribunals....
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Hate speech tribunals, you are right. We got them, not that I give a rats ass about them. The truth is they are limited in scope and the "hate speech" has to fall within certain parameters for them to have any jurisdiction. Let 'em try.
As for the rest, we do to. We can go get a PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence) any time we want. BUT, there is a sheet-load of "terms and conditions" attached to them (think California), and they have to be renewed every 5 years. Restricted permit required for handguns and SOME "assault"-style guns.
I made a personal choice to let mine lapse and stick with non-regulated target plinkers simply because I was tired of the hassle (and expense) for something that seldom got used. The regulations have made it as onerous as possible to go shooting with a powder gun. OTOH, there are few restrictions on unregulated air. In fact I am setting up an 10-meter pistol range right in the apartment this summer for air pistol. Place is big enough. Try THAT with a .22 short (even though the pellet is louder and in some cases hits harder) and you are headed for a cell. Never mind I can buy an air pistol over-the-counter just about any hardware store and walk out with it, and go shooting the same day. A .22 short would take about a year of paperwork hassles and background checks to get. For poking holes in a piece of paper in a trap, against a concrete backdrop which makes more sense ?
It's not a matter of "forced", its logically examining the available options and using the one that fits best.
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randye
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MAR 26, 07:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Hate speech tribunals, you are right. We got them, not that I give a rats ass about them. The truth is they are limited in scope and the "hate speech" has to fall within certain parameters for them to have any jurisdiction. Let 'em try.
As for the rest, we do to. We can go get a PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence) any time we want. BUT, there is a sheet-load of "terms and conditions" attached to them (think California), and they have to be renewed every 5 years. Restricted permit required for handguns and SOME "assault"-style guns.
I made a personal choice to let mine lapse and stick with non-regulated target plinkers simply because I was tired of the hassle (and expense) for something that seldom got used. The regulations have made it as onerous as possible to go shooting with a powder gun. OTOH, there are few restrictions on unregulated air. In fact I am setting up an 10-meter pistol range right in the apartment this summer for air pistol. Place is big enough. Try THAT with a .22 short (even though the pellet is louder and in some cases hits harder) and you are headed for a cell. Never mind I can buy an air pistol over-the-counter just about any hardware store and walk out with it, and go shooting the same day. A .22 short would take about a year of paperwork hassles and background checks to get. For poking holes in a piece of paper in a trap, against a concrete backdrop which makes more sense ?
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So as you admit, "going down those roads" of 1rst and 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights of Americans as compared to what you Canadian subjects are allowed by your government was a VERY SHORT ROAD that ended precisely where I said it does.
Look, I get. I really do.
You and a lot of other people around the world wish that you had the same rights and freedoms that we have here in the U.S. and believe me, I wish you did too.
Many years ago I even put on a "green leisure suit" raised my right hand and swore an oath to protect and defend my Constitution and my country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. My duties to uphold that oath even extended to me fighting to help other people around the world gain the same rights and freedoms that we Americans have, or as close to them as possible.
The hard reality though is that you don't have the same rights and freedoms that we do and the masses of people from all over this planet that are trying to get into my country, legally or illegally, are NOT doing so because they think we have fewer rights and freedoms here than where they want to leave......and that includes leaving Canada...[This message has been edited by randye (edited 03-28-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 28, 07:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
So as you admit, "going down those roads" of 1rst and 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights of Americans as compared to what you Canadian subjects are allowed by your government was a VERY SHORT ROAD that ended precisely where I said it does.
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This is really a significant truth that everyone should understand. The United States Constitution, at its core and from inception, was created following a revolution with the emphasis on the fact that the people are in charge. That they've assigned government duties to the government to manage for us collectively, but that their power is derived directly from and by the people. The majority of the bill of rights were written by our founders, TO the government, to let them know that we can rescind these rights any time we want.
This is a fundamental difference in law that I've tried to make sure my daughter fully understood since she was about 5-6 years old. Every other Constitution in this world is written from a different perspective, that the rights are granted down to the people BY the government ... and the government being those representatives.
Yesterday, I bought my daughter her first gun. I actually don't even own a gun... but I bought my daughter one. A pink Ruger 10/22 rifle. I asked her if she knew what the first amendment was. And she said... "Uhh, daddy... I think you mean the second amendment?" and I said... "No, what is the first amendment?" so she said... "The right to free speech, religion, and freedom of the press," so then I said... "correct, and how is that right protected?" ...and she said, "With the second amendment?"
BINGO...
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OldsFiero
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MAR 28, 07:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
This is really a significant truth that everyone should understand. The United States Constitution, at its core and from inception, was created following a revolution with the emphasis on the fact that the people are in charge. That they've assigned government duties to the government to manage for us collectively, but that their power is derived directly from and by the people. The majority of the bill of rights were written by our founders, TO the government, to let them know that we can rescind these rights any time we want.
This is a fundamental difference in law that I've tried to make sure my daughter fully understood since she was about 5-6 years old. Every other Constitution in this world is written from a different perspective, that the rights are granted down to the people BY the government ... and the government being those representatives.
Yesterday, I bought my daughter her first gun. I actually don't even own a gun... but I bought my daughter one. A pink Ruger 10/22 rifle. I asked her if she knew what the first amendment was. And she said... "Uhh, daddy... I think you mean the second amendment?" and I said... "No, what is the first amendment?" so she said... "The right to free speech, religion, and freedom of the press," so then I said... "correct, and how is that right protected?" ...and she said, "With the second amendment?
BINGO...
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Well said.  [This message has been edited by OldsFiero (edited 03-28-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 28, 04:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by OldsFiero:
Well said.
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Thanks... I really think that's the crux of this... the second amendment, defends all the other rights we have.
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