Active shooter in Chicago. (Page 2/4)
williegoat JUL 05, 10:28 PM
I was just listening to an interesting discussion that might provide a clue as to what is happening. Look at the Uvalde killer and this one. What do they have in common, of course they were both males who were born in the 21st century, but they also exhibit a characteristic which was not common until recently. For lack of a better description, they were both what I would call “sexually ambiguous”.

In the last decade or so, the term “toxic masculinity” has come into common use. Many young people have been taught that natural male characteristics are actually a moral failure, and that they should question their sexuality and explore alternatives.

Most of we “more mature” men grew up watching Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne and Steve McQueen, but these kids have seen more of Johnny Depp type characters.

They have been taught that they are naturally inclined towards evil and that they should become something completely unnatural. The deck is stacked against them and they cannot win, so in the end, they lash out against what they perceive as insurmountable adversity, inescapable defeat.

I tried to keep it brief, but there is more to it than that.

Think about it. Don’t just try to come up with reasons why I must be wrong. Just consider it.
rinselberg JUL 05, 10:44 PM
Just scrolling through the latest from the New York Times.

There were "red flags" with this young perpetrator, and before he reached age 21 (I think) the police had confiscated a medieval-like "arsenal" of edged weapons from the perp, but not his firearms. I think he bought the firearms that he used in this crime before he reached age 21.

Playing the "time machine" game—the new federal legislation or "Safer Communities Act" would have been relevant to this case. As he would have been someone under the age of 21 making applications to buy firearms. So the (theoretically) improved background check system for people under age 21 would have been in order.

Although it seems like they should not even have needed any of this new federal legislation, which is now on the books and in the process of being "fielded" for this case. The state of Illinois and the LEOs should have been able to confiscate the firearms that he already had and prevent him from legally buying any more firearms—or at least, buying more firearms from a federally licensed firearms dealer based in the state of Illinois.

I wonder if there could be lawsuits coming against the perpetrator's parents, with which he obviously still had connections, and against the medical professionals who saw him after he threatened to commit suicide. It sounds like he already had the firearms. Lawsuits alleging negligence and even malpractice (for the medical professionals.)

Also, lawsuits against the National Democratic Campaign Committee and against the obvious Biden-related organizations and political fundraisers—civil lawsuits, seeking compensation for damages and remedial actions, filed by forum member "Wichita", alleging willful abetting of and negligence with respect to a "Biden Brat." Or would that be addressed by the criminal code?

Obviously, YMMV. And I've got to find my way to some steamed or grilled bratwurst, plated or "bunned". I've not had that in some time, and my continuing engagement in this "Biden Brat" issue that I've been trying to escalate has given me a craving. (Wasn't there something in the news recently about shortages in the mustard condiments industry lately? Shrinkflation?)

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randye JUL 05, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I was just listening to an interesting discussion that might provide a clue as to what is happening. Look at the Uvalde killer and this one. What do they have in common, of course they were both males who were born in the 21st century, but they also exhibit a characteristic which was not common until recently. For lack of a better description, they were both what I would call “sexually ambiguous”.

In the last decade or so, the term “toxic masculinity” has come into common use. Many young people have been taught that natural male characteristics are actually a moral failure, and that they should question their sexuality and explore alternatives.

Most of we “more mature” men grew up watching Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne and Steve McQueen, but these kids have seen more of Johnny Depp type characters.

They have been taught that they are naturally inclined towards evil and that they should become something completely unnatural. The deck is stacked against them and they cannot win, so in the end, they lash out against what they perceive as insurmountable adversity, inescapable defeat.

I tried to keep it brief, but there is more to it than that.

Think about it. Don’t just try to come up with reasons why I must be wrong. Just consider it.





I'd also like to know if there was a responsible, adult male / father figure in his, and the other shooters, lives.

There are a very few exceptions, but a common thread also seems to be an absent father.
williegoat JUL 05, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
I'd also like to know if there was a responsible, adult male / father figure in his, and the other shooters, lives.

There are a very few exceptions, but a common thread also seems to be an absent father.


The killer lived in a house on his father's property. His father owned a deli and at one time ran for mayor. I don't think his mother was around, I think his father had another woman.

The killer was unemployed, probably never really grew up.

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rinselberg JUL 05, 11:45 PM

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Originally posted by Wichita:
The person at large for this shooting is a Biden Brat name Awake to the Rapper.


"Tracfone compares how some wireless companies take back your unused data to a grocery store taking back all the brats you didn't use at the tailgate. It says it offers unlimited carryover data to its users so you can keep the data you paid for."
https://ispot.tv/a/n_4h

Mmm...brats!

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Wichita JUL 05, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The killer lived in a house on his father's property. His father owned a deli and at one time ran for mayor. I don't think his mother was around, I think his father had another woman.

The killer was unemployed, probably never really grew up.




He dressed in drag, was a stoner and remarked that we were all slaves to an ancient document.

There is an underlying foundation that motivates crazy people like him to kill people.
rinselberg JUL 06, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:
He dressed in drag, was a stoner and remarked that we were all slaves to an ancient document. There is an underlying foundation that motivates crazy people like him to kill people.


I had started a Reply, but misfortunately (although some here may not agree with that) I caused it to be erased.

I believe that "Wichita" is looking for specificities and patterns in the minds and the lives of the various, high profile "crimes using guns" perpetrators that do not exist. Beyond the more general pattern of mental illness. They're all mentally ill in the common sense of that term, although not necessarily in the way that's defined in terms of criminal law and litigation.

I have MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell on video describing the Highland Park perpetrator and his father as Trump supporters and Second Amendment enthusiasts. O'Donnell displayed a Twitter message from the Highland Park's father. (I may have it. If they post it on YouTube or on the MSNBC website.)


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Originally posted by Wichita:
The person at large for this shooting is a Biden Brat name Awake to the Rapper.


"Tracfone compares how some wireless companies take back your unused data to a grocery store taking back all the brats you didn't use at the tailgate. It says it offers unlimited carryover data to its users so you can keep the data you paid for."
https://ispot.tv/a/n_4h

Mmm...Biden Brats!


"What if the store took back all the brats you didn't eat at the end of the month, like some wireless companies take back your data? Tracfone Wireless gives you unlimited carryover data, so if you pay for brats, you get to keep your brats..."

Oh, did I mention another forum member has been saying "Biden Brats"..?

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randye JUL 06, 02:24 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:


He dressed in drag, was a stoner and remarked that we were all slaves to an ancient document.

There is an underlying foundation that motivates crazy people like him to kill people.






Of note is the little bastard decked out in his Antifa gear, (lower left)
rinselberg JUL 06, 04:28 AM
Highland Park perpetrator's alleged pro-Antifa or pro-MAGA leanings... don't be misled by premature and ill-informed speculations or calculated misinformation. Even though the Highland Park perpetrator is alive and in custody, there may not ever be a clear understanding of any reasoning in his mind—even a psychopathic kind of reasoning—that would connect any political sentiments or cultural and society-related ideations in his mind, with the crime that he committed on July 4, 2022.

Tom Norton for Newsweek; July 5, 2022.
https://www.newsweek.com/bo...what-we-dont-1721743
williegoat JUL 06, 07:16 AM
I don't believe these people are driven by ideology. They may choose an ideology that enables them to express their emotional aberrations, but they do not make a logical choice, based on rational criteria.

As I have said before, blaming this on the gun or a political ideology is a cop-out. It shuts down the discussion. It prevents us from solving the problem.

Face the facts. We are raising defective people because we are denying thousands of years of societal evolution. We know better.

Stop avoiding the issue!