Laws can only do so much (Page 2/6)
rinselberg JUL 09, 12:33 PM
Forum member "2.5" brought up "genocide". He said "media hype" and "genocide".

That's the remark that I wanted to highlight.

Hitler follows from "genocide" just as the odor of ozone follows a violent summer thunderstorm.
olejoedad JUL 09, 12:48 PM
Rinse, if you want to ignore history and have faith in modern man's goodness and benevolence in government, no one can stop you.

As a species, we haven't changed much. We've just gotten better with deceptive messaging.

Ask any of the millions of people around the world who learned the hard way.

Oh, snap! You can't. They were all murdered by power hungry maniacs.
olejoedad JUL 09, 12:51 PM
Who disarmed them in the guise of public safety.
williegoat JUL 09, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

That's the beginning of a column that was published in Salon in 2013.

"The Hitler gun control lie: Gun rights activists who cite the dictator as a reason against gun control have their history dangerously wrong."
Alex Seitz-Wald for Salon; January 11, 2013.
https://www.salon.com/2013/...alking_about_hitler/

That Salon article is based on a larger report that was published in the Fordham Law Review in 2004; to wit:

"On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars..."
Bernard E. Harcourt for the Fordham Law Review; Volume 73, Issue 2, Article 11, 2004.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.e...cle=4029&context=flr



In a nutshell: "You guys are just paranoid. Stop maligning Hitler, he wasn't as bad as you think. Besides, tyranny is inevitable, you can't win so you might as well submit now."
Raydar JUL 09, 05:32 PM
MidEngineManiac JUL 10, 10:03 AM
Here is the whole the about the entire concept of "law"

Remember when you were 6 years old and your mom said you weren't allowed to *insert whatever here* or I'll be really-really mad, and the only reason I need is I am your mom and I'm in charge and I want and I dont like.... That was *law* then, at that point in time.

And you said screw you mom, and went and did it anyway ? Maybe you got caught and grounded (or whatever) or maybe you got away with it. Doesnt really matter for this post.

NOW, as adults, we have governments saying.....

you aren't allowed to *insert whatever here* or I'll be really-really mad, and the only reason I need is I am your mom and I'm in charge and I want and I dont like....

Same "screw you mom" still applies.
Fats JUL 10, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

"Assassination Shocks a Nearly Gun-Free Japan"
Daisuke Wakabayashi, Ben Dooley and Hikari Hida for the New York Times; July 8, 2022.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...abe-murder-guns.html

In 2021, there were 10 shootings in Japan that contributed to death, injury or property damage, according to the National Police Agency. Of those gun-related episodes, one person was killed and four others were injured. The figures do not include accidents or suicides.



Weird. Here in the US the left insists on including gun deaths from accidents and suicide for gun deaths.
rinselberg JUL 10, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by Fats:
Weird. Here in the US the left insists on including gun deaths from accidents and suicide for gun death.


I got curious.

According to Statista, Japan recorded 21,007 suicides during 2021. That's typical for the years from 2012, forwards.
https://www.statista.com/st...apan-suicide-number/

How many of these people shot themselves? Hardly any. That's an inference, because I found a newly published research paper about suicides in Japan that includes details about the methods that are common, and I can't find the word "gun" or "firearm" or anything like that.

"Exploring characteristics of increased suicide during the COVID-19 pandemic in Japan using provisional governmental data"
Okada et al; The Lancet; May 30, 2022.
https://www.thelancet.com/j...(22)00096-7/fulltext

Accidents... I think that must be negligible, in so far as firearms. For Japan.

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olejoedad JUL 10, 01:43 PM
Here is part of the problem....

Laws codify behavior.

Laws specify punishment for breaking the law.

Laws are not uniformly enforced among lawbreakers.

If the punishment for breaking the law is not enforced, the law does no real world good.

We have hundreds of pages of gun laws in the CFR and in the various States.

Many of them are not enforced.

How are more, or new laws going to help solve the problems?
rinselberg JUL 10, 02:29 PM
Just thinking about it theoretically, without any specific laws in mind...

The new law is written in such a way that it is easier for police and other law enforcement agencies to enforce. Easier to enforce, because compared to the older laws that are already on the books, the wording of the new law is less ambiguous and more concise, or more specific, or closes one or more "loopholes." The new law could include corrective actions or punishments that are more practical to enforce. The new law may resolve jurisdictional conflicts or ambiguities that were previously detrimental to enforcement. The new law may be written in such a way as to dovetail with new budgetary items that provide more funding, or more targeted funding, for the relevant enforcement agencies.

"Embrace the New Law"

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