Abrams Tanks to Ukraine! But The Armor Is Classified (Page 2/3)
Zeb JAN 27, 05:09 PM
Is it the slat armor you're thinking of? Looks like a cage built out of welded up angle iron.
williegoat JAN 27, 05:24 PM
It sounds like Putin is negotiating to buy some of the equipment Ol' Joe left behind in Afghanistan.
cliffw JAN 28, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by Zeb:
Is it the slat armor you're thinking of? Looks like a cage built out of welded up angle iron.



I believe you are right. Was it "built" on the battlefield ?

I was watching the show, "Built In America", concerning the WW II Sherman tank. Shortly after "D Day", we had to get through foliage barriers. It was said by one GI that we need to go home and bring our farm equipment.

We constructed an implement, out of defeated German beach implements, to make brush clearing additions to our tanks.
Wichita FEB 06, 05:47 AM
Biden's folly with his continued effort to try to break the Russians is severely failing. You want to know why the Democratic Party media never talks about the conflict anymore? Here are the numbers from the taxpayers sending $111 billion there in 2022.

Leftist lie and people die.
Allegedly, the field data of January 14, 2023, based on Israeli intelligence, is listed as follows:

RUSSIA:

Russian losses in the field with 418 thousand soldiers (plus 3,500,000 reservists) and a growing number of Wagner mercenaries :

23 Planes

56 Helicopters

200 (S)İHA

889 Tanks and armored vehicles

427 Howitzer (Artillery systems)

12 Air defense system

18,480 dead

44,500 Injured

323 Captive

UKRAINE:

The losses of 734 thousand soldiers (plus 100 thousand reservists) and NATO officers, soldiers and mercenaries in the field of Ukraine are as follows:

302 Aircraft

212 Helicopters

2,750 (S)İHA

6,320 Tanks and armored vehicles

7,360 Howitzer (Artillery systems)

497 Air defense system

157,000 Dead

234,000 injured

17,230 Captive

234 Dead – NATO military trainers (US and UK)

2,458 Dead – NATO soldiers (Germany, Poland, Lithuania, ...)

5,360 Dead – Mercenaries


https://hurseda.net/gundem/...rusya-kayiplari.html
rinselberg FEB 06, 10:01 AM
"This [previous message in this Pennock's forum thread] is a Turkish media source known for being very [pro-Russia] and bias reporting. Absolutely zero chance they would have access to a Mossad source of intelligence."

A comment from "UpstateGuyDoingStuff" on Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Uk...dium=web2x&context=3

Whobody knows?

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randye FEB 06, 08:09 PM
According to: "UpstateGuyDoingStuff" on Reddit"

The "sources" that Leftists will believe and quote is hilarious.......and sad.
rinselberg FEB 06, 10:24 PM
That's almost exactly what I was thinking myself, when I saw that post from Wichita, where he presents a translation of a report from a Turkish language website. But instead of "The sources that Leftists will believe...", I was thinking "The sources that contrarians will believe..."

Look closely at the numbers in Wichita's message.

How many here find it credible that mortality has claimed almost nine of Ukraine's military personnel (157,000) for every one Russian (18,480)..?

How many are inclined to believe the other numbers? If the war were that lopsided in favor of the Russians, would it still be a war? Why hasn't the last Ukrainian flag in Ukraine already been taken down and replaced with a Russian flag, on the basis of these numbers?


Edited to add:

PolitiFact responds to Pennock's forum member Wichita, rates the veracity of Wichita's post as "Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire!"
Jeff Cercone for PolitiFact; February 6, 2023.
https://www.politifact.com/...-have-not-died-ukra/

"Elon Musk Tries To Cover His Tracks After Being Called Out For Amplifying Russian Propaganda"

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Elon Musk asks Twitter Community Notes to factcheck Russian Market's tweet claiming 150,000 Ukrainian soldiers were killed—which appears to be Russian propaganda—after tweeting back to the account.

Winn Sioux Christnot-Peters for Second Nexus; February 6, 2023.
https://secondnexus.com/mus...anda-ukraine-twitter

"UK Defence Ministry denies a fake about death of British soldiers in Ukraine"

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The British Ministry of Defence commented on the material on the Turkish portal Hürseda Haber, which was published on 25 January—but Russian media began to massively replicate it only on February 6.

Ukrainska Pravda (on Yahoo!); February 6, 2023.
https://www.yahoo.com/enter...-fake-200805276.html

"Poll: American support for Ukraine remains high after year of conflict"
Simon Druker for UPI; February 6, 2023.
https://www.upi.com/Top_New...ssian/3951675712553/


Is someone making a bid to become known as the "Wichita Lie-Man"..?

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cliffw FEB 07, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:
Look closely at the numbers in Wichita's message.

How many here find it credible that mortality has claimed almost nine of Ukraine's military personnel (157,000) for every one Russian (18,480)..?



I do !
Ukraine's military personnel are every Ukrainian citizen. Fighting for freedom. Russia is trying to decimate civilian will power, by targeting citizens.
rinselberg FEB 07, 02:34 PM
Yes, but I think that anyone who looks at the English translation of this Turkish language report from Hürseda (as provided by Wichita) sees that they are claiming—according to "Israeli intelligence"—that as of January 14 or just three weeks ago,157,000 registered members of Ukraine's armed forces have perished during this war, compared to just 18,480 of their counterparts on the Russian side.

The article is laid out in a way that is not consistent with the idea that it means to be interpreted that every Ukrainian citizen or civilian who's become a fatality has been counted with the soldiers and other military personnel in this number of 157,000 "olü" (deceased) on the Ukrainian side.

Nay, it is manifestly clear from the manner in which this article is organized and worded that it means to say that every Ukrainian civilian who's fallen in this war is to be counted as an additional mortality on the Ukrainian side, over and above the 157,000 Ukrainian soldiers and other "uniformed" (literal, registered, officially recognized, card-carrying, "dog tagged" ...) members of the Ukrainian national defense apparatus that have passed (as of January 14) according to "Israeli intelligence".

And so, this figurative reaction to the Hürseda article, as expressed in the message that immediately precedes this message or "post", is not what the founders and framers at Hürseda had in their minds, and likely still have in their minds, since the article was published as recently as January 25.

And so also I conclude that the "clffiw" interpretation is not an originalist interpretation. Nay it is—ironically, I think—a progressive or modernist interpretation that comes from none other than forum member "cliffw" himself, who has probably never imagined himself being described in such terms, to be counted alongside the more left-leaning among the contemporary Supreme Court justices; namely Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and last but not least, the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg or "RBG".

Surely "cliffw" has never imagined such a place for himself, and yet, with the modernist interpretation of this Hürseda article that he's just expressed, who can say otherwise about him?

Not me.

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olejoedad FEB 07, 04:18 PM
Have you been watching Mr. Ed re-runs?