Portland Is Woking Itself Back To The Stone Age (Page 2/7)
82-T/A [At Work] MAR 29, 08:31 AM
This is essentially what happens in every city.

You need only look at New York as an example. New York City has been run by Democrats for many many years. In rare occasions, the city elects a Republican mayor, and the city miraculously recovers. NYC has massive decline, and then a Republican gets in, and the city is cleaned up, and the city experiences unimaginable growth... like in the mid 60s to early 70s under Republican leadership. Which led to the devleopment of the World Trade Center, and so much else in NYC. Then of course, a new generation of people don't bother to look at history, and fall right back into their old problems, and they elect Democrats. Through the late 70s and most of the 80s, NYC became a horrendous place. It was the example of crime through most TV shows. Then in the 90s, things started to change, more Republican commissioners were elected and finally, in the early to mid 1990s, another Republican was elected... Rudy Giuliani. NYC saw a wave of progress, and the city was cleaned up, and saw massive, massive growth. 9/11 happened, and it still didn't deter the growth of NYC.

Then you had Bloomberg, who maintained things for a while, but was fairly liberal, and wasn't much of a politician, allowing himself to be taken advantage of. You then had De Blasio... and... there's not a single person on here that can say that NYC has seen progress. NYC is a complete **** -hole. The homeless is insane, the poverty and filth throughout the streets has become legendary.


You look at any city in the United States, and it's the exact same thing.


Rinse, Patrick, anyone else... I realize you guys truly believe that you're supporting good when you support this kind of ideology... but explain to me why every time a Democrat majority takes control of a city or a state, it declines rapidly... and when Republicans take control of a city or state, it improves dramatically? I would very much like an explanation to this... and Rinse... not the typical answer you give me that you need to do more research and you can't confirm it's true, etc. I do think there needs to be moderation, and I wouldn't want the whole world to be totally Republican because I don't think that would be good either... but I can only imagine how successful a country we would be if all the city commissions swayed Republican. I just find it incredibly frustrating that every time Democrats take control of a city, it declines rapidly. Portland is... like... who would even live there at this point? I don't know a single person that would want to move there unless they absolutely had to for work... and they probably wouldn't want to live IN the city, but in the suburbs, and spend the least amount of time possible there.
Wichita MAR 29, 01:14 PM
Being leftist woke will destroy the mind, body and soul.
williegoat MAR 29, 02:31 PM
Leftists are "enablers". By coddling those with issues such as substance abuse, gender dysphoria or a propensity for violence, they exacerbate the problem.

It took a court order to set Phoenix's Leftist mayor straight: Arizona court rules that City of Phoenix must keep 'The Zone' free of the homeless

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A court in Arizona has issued a ruling in connection with a lawsuit over a portion of the city known as "The Zone."

According to court documents, The lawsuit, officially known as Freddy Brown, et al. v. City of Phoenix, was filed over allegations that Phoenix city officials "created, maintained, and/or failed to abate a public nuisance" at The Zone.
Fitz301 MAR 29, 02:43 PM
That's how they "rule" - through FEAR.

It's how they keep their power and control.
rinselberg MAR 29, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:
Leftists are "enablers". By coddling those with issues such as substance abuse, gender dysphoria or a propensity for violence, they exacerbate the problem. It took a court order to set Phoenix's Leftist mayor straight . . .


Well... I don't believe that Leftists (on the whole) have stopped (or even have a mind to stop) scientific research into the origin(s) of the Covid pandemic. I don't believe that Leftists (on the whole) are all "agog" about Greta Thunberg and everything that woman says or does. I don't believe that Leftists (on the whole) can reasonably be described as any more "anti-science" than their counterparts on the Right. Right-wingers. Reactionaries. Rightists(?) Whatever would be the logical opposite to everything that is meant to be conveyed here by "Leftists".

I don't believe any of these sweeping declarations about Leftists, even though they have been explicitly asserted or clearly implied, many times over on this forum, over a period that goes back at least a year before date, if memory serves me.

I just hope this Phoenix mayor isn't secretly harboring a gas-fired cooking range.

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MidEngineManiac MAR 29, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Leftists are "enablers". By coddling those with issues such as substance abuse, gender dysphoria or a propensity for violence, they exacerbate the problem.

It took a court order to set Phoenix's Leftist mayor straight: Arizona court rules that City of Phoenix must keep 'The Zone' free of the homeless
[QUOTE]A court in Arizona has issued a ruling in connection with a lawsuit over a portion of the city known as "The Zone."

According to court documents, The lawsuit, officially known as Freddy Brown, et al. v. City of Phoenix, was filed over allegations that Phoenix city officials "created, maintained, and/or failed to abate a public nuisance" at The Zone.

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Phoenix has the same problem as every other city on the continent. Ya gotta do SOMETHING with those people. Just locking 'em up in asylums like they used to simply isnt financially feasible, not to mention the civil rights lawsuits. Running them out of town is going to get you the same lawsuits, plus WHERE are you going to run them to ? Nobody else wants them either. Keep "moving them along" is the same as running them out of town, plus some are going to snap and go all postal over the constant harassment and pressure.

For years this county dealt with it via lack of services. They just made it so damn difficult to navigate the system that the dopers voluntarily went elsewhere (London, Windsor or Sarnia) but thats all changed now. The smaller towns like this one are keeping it under control by not having any shelter spaces at all, so the weather mostly forces them to the city and the shelter system for about 2/3rds of the year. The dozen or so "problems" we have year-round all seem to live in mommies basement or garage or something.
WonderBoy MAR 29, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Well... I don't believe that Leftists (on the whole) have stopped (or even have a mind to stop) scientific research into the origin(s) of the Covid pandemic. I don't believe that Leftists (on the whole) are all "agog" about Greta Thunberg and everything that woman says or does. I don't believe that Leftists (on the whole) can reasonably be described as any more "anti-science" than their counterparts on the Right. Right-wingers. Reactionaries. Rightists(?) Whatever would be the logical opposite to everything that is meant to be conveyed here by "Leftists".

I don't believe any of these sweeping declarations about Leftists, even though they have been explicitly asserted or clearly implied, many times over on this forum, over a period that goes back at least a year before date, if memory serves me.

I just hope this Phoenix mayor isn't secretly harboring a gas-fired cooking range.



Sooo you're saying releasing violent felons early, no/minimal bail, don't arrest people, legalising all drugs, beat people up without consequences, burn cities, loot businesses causing them to close (no tax $$$'s for town/city from biz and personal incomes) which forces one race to leave and another stays behind so other said race can be blamed for starting a race war , and sheeeet is science?

Is a social 'science experiment' taking place and the D's are taking observation notes?

What are the "5 D's" of Dodgeball again? Oh yeah:
Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and DODGE

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82-T/A [At Work] MAR 30, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Phoenix has the same problem as every other city on the continent. Ya gotta do SOMETHING with those people. Just locking 'em up in asylums like they used to simply isnt financially feasible, not to mention the civil rights lawsuits. Running them out of town is going to get you the same lawsuits, plus WHERE are you going to run them to ? Nobody else wants them either. Keep "moving them along" is the same as running them out of town, plus some are going to snap and go all postal over the constant harassment and pressure.

For years this county dealt with it via lack of services. They just made it so damn difficult to navigate the system that the dopers voluntarily went elsewhere (London, Windsor or Sarnia) but thats all changed now. The smaller towns like this one are keeping it under control by not having any shelter spaces at all, so the weather mostly forces them to the city and the shelter system for about 2/3rds of the year. The dozen or so "problems" we have year-round all seem to live in mommies basement or garage or something.




Not all cities have this problem. Before I go into specifics, let me give you a recent history of Florida.

About 25 years ago, Florida was a Democrat stronghold. It's where all the old people from New York came to retire, and with the exception of the Cubans (who were/are Republican), everyone else was Democrat. Democrats made up the overwhelming vast majority of the state. There was poverty everywhere. The state was fairly run down, they'd totally destroyed the eco-system of the Everglades, and the state was basically a mess. The boardwalk by both Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale beach were a wreck, old, and dilapidated. There were coke and crack heads that walked all up and down the beach at night... lots of crime, everything was really unsafe. South Florida (Davie) was even the southern headquarters of the KKK. But worse than all of that... you had safety and emissions inspections for your vehicles, as well as impact fees and other nonsense taxes.

Over the last 25 years, Florida has slowly but surely become the Republican "ultra-red" state that it is today. We've kicked out the old racist Democrats (or they died off), we've eliminated most of the crime, we've destroyed the teachers unions and have begun taking back the school systems, and Florida has become an unbelievable success. Like, I can't even explain. Every port, every boardwalk, every tourist area has been completely renovated. We even have a high-speed rail that goes from Miami to Palm Beach, and will soon go to Orlando and Tampa. The train is so nice, it's like flying first class on an international flight. I heard someone once say that Miami has become the new New York... and I tell them, nonsense... Miami has become the new Monaco. We have more of everything. There are literally two combatant commands in Florida, multiple AF, NAVY, and ARMY bases. It's becoming a tech hub, and we've dramatically reduced the pollution and environmental destruction that the Democrats had leveraged on our ecosystem. All of this has been a slow progression since the late 1990s until today.

I give that history because I think it's important to understand too how this affects the individual cities. This last election had a dramatic effect on the state of Florida. It was the first time in Florida's history where not a single Democrat was elected to a state-wide office. There was always a point where at least one (or really, at least two or more) were in office... whether it was the director of health, or director of education, or whatever. They are ALL Republican... every single one. More so... the cities are almost all Republican now. Broward County... now has a Republican commission, for the first time in history. Also for the first time in history, the city of Tampa and Hillsborough County have Republican commissions... just barely, but they do. In the previous election, the Mayor of Tampa was a Democrat. This last election, Tampa lost their Democrat majority, and their Democrat commission majority... so the Republican commission has been passing laws that she vetos, and they override. It's unprecedented.


So why am I saying all of this? When I first moved to Florida in 1996... there were a lot of homeless. But as time has gone on, the Republicans instituted rules that mandated that homeless abide by the same anti-loitering laws as everyone else. If you are not willing to stay in a homeless shelter (and there are plenty of them), then you can get your ass out of the state. It's really simple. Florida has an enormous number of privately-funded foundations which take in homeless and rehabilitate them. They're almost all Christian charities... but they take in homeless, give them mental health and anti-narcotics support. They give them room and board, AND give them a job. For the homeless who refuse help, and do not want to stay in a homeless shelter, we offer them a free bus ticket to anywhere they want out of the state, or jail time. They usually take the bus ticket.

Finally, Tampa was one of the last holdouts... very liberal. There were lots of "tent cities" that were starting to spring up as this became more and more popular. The liberal commission was totally cool with this, and it's almost like they were proud of it... like... look at how wonderful we are to these homeless people living in tents. But as soon as the Republican commission came in, all of these tent cities have been completely disbanded, and the people were either forced to go to a homeless shelter, or get a ticket out of the state.

So yes... Democrats enable this behavior. I've never seen a group of people who take so much pride in normalizing totally insane behavior.
MidEngineManiac MAR 30, 02:12 PM
Yes they enable it...but they also cause it....then make themselves well-paid or wealthy "fixing" what they caused in the 1st place.

Take this guy for example.

Used to work at the provincial legislature. Meaning he had a government job. DAMN nice paycheque when working, and pension when retired.

Marriage breaks down. Under the liberal anti-male "laws" here, he just lost his house, 1/2 his pay and 1/2 (or more) of his pension. It's actually not unheard of once the dust settles in divorces for men to loose 100% OR MORE of their income and retirement. The attitude is just get a second job. (Yeh, what for, so they can take that too ?)

Over 50 he has slim to no chance of getting a job beyond cab driver or walmart greeter. Which wont even come close to covering rent, let alone food, these days.

No money, no chance and no hope. Pretty easy to see how the downhill slide starts.

All because the left and their "laws" decided to treat men like slaves and walking ATM's for the females and chilluns. Take everything, then take more.

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williegoat MAR 30, 03:25 PM
The area in Phoenix that has recently been referred to as “The Zone” has been the homeless area for as long as I can remember, primarily because that is where the services that they depend on are located. Back in the ‘70s there was a lumber yard there that I used to pick up at several times a week and they had problems with what we called “winos” back then.

Here is a link to a map: https://goo.gl/maps/VYccLbQGrrMupSmG8

The encampment is nothing like San Francisco, LA or Portland. No one has to step over bums to buy a pair of Gucci pumps. You can go to street view on the map and see what it looks like. The area is an old, run down industrial area and only covers a couple of city blocks.

Also, the mayor had no problem with clearing the tent city out during the stupor bowl, then let them return afterwords.