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fredtoast
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JUL 01, 06:17 PM
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Based on this latest ruling members of the Nazi Party and the KKK will probably never be able to get commercially made signs or banners anywhere.
Is that what yu all call "free speech"? I thought we were supposed to support the rights of people to hold beliefs different from our own, but still treat them equally in business . Did not think we were supposed to discriminate against business clients just because they hold beliefs different from our own.
Shocks me that so many people think this new ruling INCREASES freedom of speech when in fact it REDUCES it. Anyone who has a message that is not popular will not have access to businesses needed to express his message. More suppression of free speech by majority rule.
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randye
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JUL 01, 08:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Based on this latest ruling members of the Nazi Party and the KKK will probably never be able to get commercially made signs or banners anywhere.
Is that what yu all call "free speech"? I thought we were supposed to support the rights of people to hold beliefs different from our own, but still treat them equally in business . Did not think we were supposed to discriminate against business clients just because they hold beliefs different from our own.
Shocks me that so many people think this new ruling INCREASES freedom of speech when in fact it REDUCES it. Anyone who has a message that is not popular will not have access to businesses needed to express his message. More suppression of free speech by majority rule.
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Leave it to a Leftist like you to conflate government compelled speech with Constitutionally protected freedom of speech.
A more ridiculous straw man argument than yours is hard to imagine.[This message has been edited by randye (edited 07-01-2023).]
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fredtoast
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JUL 01, 10:39 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
Leave it to a Leftist like you to conflate government compelled speech with Constitutionally protected freedom of speech.
A more ridiculous straw man argument than yours is hard to imagine.
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There is no "government" speech at all in this case. Just two private parties. A business and a customer. And the business was allowed to refuse service to the customer based on private personal beliefs.
You all love this ruling now but wait until you hold a minority opinion.
I just don't think that is how it is supposed to work in America. You can believe whatever you want privately, but you should not be able to discriminate against customers of your business based on religious beliefs.
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Wichita
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JUL 02, 12:14 AM
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Let the market decide. 🤣
 [This message has been edited by Wichita (edited 07-02-2023).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUL 02, 11:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Based on this latest ruling members of the Nazi Party and the KKK will probably never be able to get commercially made signs or banners anywhere.
Is that what yu all call "free speech"? I thought we were supposed to support the rights of people to hold beliefs different from our own, but still treat them equally in business . Did not think we were supposed to discriminate against business clients just because they hold beliefs different from our own.
Shocks me that so many people think this new ruling INCREASES freedom of speech when in fact it REDUCES it. Anyone who has a message that is not popular will not have access to businesses needed to express his message. More suppression of free speech by majority rule. |
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If you want to create mid-century Democrat propaganda like the NAZI and KKK banners, you are still more than welcome to. You simply cannot COMPEL someone else to do it for you. They are REQUIRED to offer services to you, EVEN IF you are hypothetically a NAZI and a KKK member. But again... you cannot force them to make something they don't want. It's really simple. You have freedom of speech. You can guy buy the materials from Hobby Lobby and make your own banner. Or... you are free to buy your own print shop and make your desired propaganda.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUL 02, 11:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
Let the market decide. 🤣
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These leftists just don't seem to understand how this works. And it's based entirely on MSM propaganda. The image above, this is illegal, and they can be sued for it. They are not allowed to deny people because of race, creed, religion, belief, etc. They are still required to sell to everyone (whatever it is this company sells). Like, I just do not understand why this is so difficult for people to get? The law is not complicated here.
The website developer cannot deny services to someone based on (basically anything other than lack of funds). But they ARE allowed to deny based on content that they do not approve of. Like, my God... are Democrats really this ignorant? Or are they intentionally being this way in hopes that other dumb people will be shocked by it?
I used to think that Democrats were really smart, just insidious. Now I think they're all just really ignorant, and that's why they make so many mistakes.
NYC is a perfect example of Democrat idiocy.
Republicans were in charge of NYC in the 60s, and we got the World Trade Center. Then in the 70s and 80s it became Democrat and the place was a **** hole. Then Republicans took over again and the place completely turned around, again. Then Democrats took over, and now it's a **** hole again. It's like this in literally every single city. The entire state of California is a good example too... my God. They go from a MASSIVE surplus under Republican rule, to a historical budget deficit under a Democrat. 22 Billion in budget deficit? How in the world does California do that to itself???
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williegoat
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JUL 02, 01:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I used to think that Democrats were really smart, just insidious.
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This describes their leadership.
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Now I think they're all just really ignorant, and that's why they make so many mistakes.
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This describes the "rank and file" (<---<<< period omitted so as to avoid the argument.)
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The entire state of California is a good example too... my God. They go from a MASSIVE surplus under Republican rule, to a historical budget deficit under a Democrat. 22 Billion in budget deficit? How in the world does California do that to itself??? |
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I once bought a house with a girl to whom I was not married. We had a checking account into which we each deposited a fixed amount. Each month I would write out checks and pay the bills. That account always had a surplus.
One day, she decided that she wanted to take over the task of paying the bills. From that day forward, the account always came up short.
I learned several valuable lessons from that experience.
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Wichita
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JUL 02, 01:41 PM
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The reason why leftist ran governments make places **** -holes, because leftists are vulnerable narcissists who view their own shortcomings as the most important suffering in the world.
The problem with that mindset is the priorities of resources are not allocated logically to where it can benefit people.
For example they think spending millions on sex reassignment surgeries for fetishized dysphoric leftist males is more important than water treatment for clean water.
We can go on and one from crime to economic development, nothing they do really is logical.
For example the luxury belief that giving college students with debt a handout with debt forgiveness, but never thinking about why they are in debt in the first place and what to do about it in the future. Spend $500 billion to give to loan companies so that leftist and mostly white college kids can make fewer payments, when the same amount could literally lift 330 million people out of poverty. Yes, an equivalent to the entire population of the USA, instead it's a handout to college graduates millennials who have an unemployment rate less than 2% and make on a average 3X the US poverty level standard.[This message has been edited by Wichita (edited 07-02-2023).]
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ray b
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JUL 02, 02:13 PM
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ok so name a rightwing religious government that was any good long term please ?
btw every commie government was a revolt against a failed far right dictator
czar warlord hitler batstia sumoza type creep
so to PREVENT COMMIES
NEVER ALLOW A RIGHTWING GOVERNMENT
AS THEY ARE A PRECONDITION PRECEDING COMMIES
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUL 02, 02:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Wichita:
The reason why leftist ran governments make places **** -holes, because leftists are vulnerable narcissists who view their own shortcomings as the most important suffering in the world.
The problem with that mindset is the priorities of resources are not allocated logically to where it can benefit people.
For example they think spending millions on sex reassignment surgeries for fetishized dysphoric leftist males is more important than water treatment for clean water.
We can go on and one from crime to economic development, nothing they do really is logical.
For example the luxury belief that giving college students with debt a handout with debt forgiveness, but never thinking about why they are in debt in the first place and what to do about it in the future. Spend $500 billion to give to loan companies so that leftist and mostly white college kids can make fewer payments, when the same amount could literally lift 330 million people out of poverty. Yes, an equivalent to the entire population of the USA, instead it's a handout to college graduates millennials who have an unemployment rate less than 2% and make on a average 3X the US poverty level standard.
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I really could not have worded this any better. It's so true... I've always said Democrats spend 99% of their resources on 1% of the problem.
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