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| My thoughts on the current Democrat party, and leftists... (Page 2/3) |
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Patrick
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NOV 06, 11:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I didn't leave the left, the left ... left me.
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Catchy tune!
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cliffw
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NOV 07, 03:57 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
As a young voter, I believed what I was taught and voted Dem. |
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The ONLY thing I was taught was that the vote is precious.
The analytics of my person would suggest I am a Democrat. I have never voted Democrat.
I do not know about anyone's location but tomorrow is voting day in Texas.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 07, 08:06 AM
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We can't forget that groups like the Democratic Socialists of America stood firm that the attacks on Israel were justified and that the only people we should be concerned for is this fake territory known as "palestine." https://twitter.com/DemSoci...857364604412350?s=20
All the left-leaning groups immediately went to support "palestine," ... not a single one thought about the ~1,400 people killed in Israel. Only after they got severe condemnation from the right and Jewish groups, did they either remove their posts, or change their stance slightly... most however, kept it up, like DSA.
Even Sarah Silverman, who is about as radical left as they get, is now upset and feels "politically homeless" that all these left-leaning groups are attacking Jewish people: https://forward.com/fast-fo...rael-hamas-gaza-war/
The most interesting quote here is... she says, "I see antisemitism rising up everywhere, and the scary part is when it’s on the left — this is a new thing."
... I'm sorry Sarah, antisemitism has ALWAYS been on the left.
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 09:17 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
... anti-semitism has ALWAYS been on the left. |
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There have always been groups and individuals that are recognizably "left" in conventional terms—their concerns about income inequality and the like—that have also been anti-Jewish or anti-Israel.
But that's as far as it goes: you cannot fairly say that anti-semitism has been manifest only among those on the left of the political spectrum.
There are legitimate concerns that are not anti-semitic, that many people have expressed, and continue to express, about Israel's military response and other Israeli reactions to the Hamas-led atrocities, including the concerns that are being expressed by the U.S. Secretary of State.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 11-07-2023).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 10:17 AM
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It's obviously a great comfort to Wichita, to be able to "dumb down" reality into something as simplistic as this cartoon.
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williegoat
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NOV 07, 11:06 AM
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It's obviously a great comfort to Wichita, to be able to "dumb down" reality into something as simplistic as this cartoon. |
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Raydar
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NOV 07, 11:07 AM
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... Wichita would have scored some "gravitas" points with me—but he never did.
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I'm sure he's heartbroken. 
The only absolute certainty regarding these so-called "climate scientists" is that they know who butters their bread.
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williegoat
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NOV 07, 11:32 AM
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Meanwhile, in the City of Angels...
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82-T/A [At Work]
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NOV 07, 01:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
There have always been groups and individuals that are recognizably "left" in conventional terms—their concerns about income inequality and the like—that have also been anti-Jewish or anti-Israel.
But that's as far as it goes: you cannot fairly say that anti-semitism has been manifest only among those on the left of the political spectrum.
There are legitimate concerns that are not anti-semitic, that many people have expressed, and continue to express, about Israel's military response and other Israeli reactions to the Hamas-led atrocities, including the concerns that are being expressed by the U.S. Secretary of State. |
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Sure, I'm quite sure there's some bad people everywhere. But the "everyone is bad" argument that Democrats always use when they're predominantly guilty of something, is nothing more than the mental anguish of trying to justify a person's continued support of said party.
Nearly every leftist organization has ... not only taken a stance to SUPPORT this concept of "palestine," but actually have taken a stance AGAINST Israel. Not one, not two... but HUNDREDS of pro-Left / Democrat ... U.S. based organizations that took a stand for "palestine," and against Israel. Like... not saying, war is sad, everyone stop the hate, but literally saying things like "Israel deserves what they got."
This isn't new... just a couple of years ago... many of these same groups (288 of them) condemned Biden for not putting pressure on Israel for allowing them to brand four groups within "palestine," as terrorist organizations: https://www.commondreams.or...els-crackdown-human.
What right-wing groups then are antisemitic? The left likes to claim the Proud Boys are... now I don't know any of them, but it seems to be mostly lies. None of them have ever explicitly stated they hate Jews, and there's a Proud Boys sect in Israel, and there's many Jews (and many minorities) in that group... but there seems to be a lot of nonsense about it. The easy thing is... the leftist groups have no problem letting you know how they feel. They're literally out protesting all over the place, and again... destroying things.
So... you can hide your head in the sand, or you can actually think about WHY you vote Democrat and why this label is so important to you? Because once again... the Democrat party is on the wrong side of history, as they seem to be in a greater frequency than not throughout our history. I have no real love for the GOP... quite honestly. I don't care about them... they're part of the problem too. But you and a couple of others on here seem like you're fans for life.
EDIT: Here's an old article about Democrats slowly losing support from Jewish voters due to their increasingly hard stance against Jews / Israel.
https://www.israelhayom.com...they-abandon-israel/
One nugget here is also a year-old poll... well before this attack:
"Similarly, last year's Economist/YouGov poll reported that although 22% of Democrats regard protecting Israel as a 'very important' US goal overall, fully 61% of Republicans do so."
I think this kind of speaks volumes...[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 11-07-2023).]
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rinselberg
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NOV 07, 02:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
So... you can hide your head in the sand, or you can actually think about WHY you vote Democrat and why this label is so important to you? Because once again... the Democrat party is on the wrong side of history, as they seem to be in a greater frequency than not throughout our history. I have no real love for the GOP... quite honestly. I don't care about them... they're part of the problem too. But you and a couple of others on here seem like you're fans for life.
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I think that for every Democrat you could name that has come up short of late, in terms of supporting Israel, I could find a greater number of Democrats that haven't. Like the Democrats' House Minority leader Hakeem Jeffries. It just came up for me the other day:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...L/000926-9.html#p320
The Biden administration, including the "old man" himself, are not coming up short in terms of supporting Israel. Not in my view.
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