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rinselberg
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FEB 15, 06:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
This is hardly a reason to scream to Biden to declassify. What exactly is / would be the purpose of making this public? |
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From the article in Slate that I just posted:
| quote | The panic over Russia’s alleged advances—whether justified or not—erupted on Wednesday, when Rep. Mike Turner, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, released a statement warning of a “national security threat” related to a “destabilizing foreign military capability.” National security adviser Jake Sullivan appeared before cameras soon after, saying he was puzzled by this reaction, as intelligence officials were about to brief the “Gang of 8”—the chairs and ranking members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees, as well as the majority and minority leaders in the two chambers, who are privy to the most highly classified matters—the next day.
Thursday morning, after the briefing, Turner issued a follow-on statement, saying he has made information on the threat available to all members of Congress and urged President Joe Biden to declassify it, so the public and allies can discuss its implications.
The White House is reluctant to declassify everything about it, saying that would reveal “sources and methods” about how the intel was obtained. This suggests the information came from communications intercepts of Russian military officials or their design bureaus—not from data about an actual test.
It is unclear, then, why Turner released his hair-on-fire statement when he did. Some speculate that he might have wanted to sound a high-decibel alarm about the Russians in order to prod the House into approving the Senate-passed bill on military aid to Ukraine. (Turner is an avid supporter of the bill.) Others say the intel came from a U.S. surveillance program that is about to expire; publicizing it might save the program, which Turner also very much supports. Or it might be simply that there is new, alarming information.
Whether by coincidence or not, the news came less than a week after Russia launched a Soyuz-2-1v rocket with a classified military payload onboard. |
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Mike Turner, who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, is a Republican and represents Ohio's 10th congressional district.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-15-2024).]
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cliffw
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FEB 17, 10:37 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
These are excerpts from today's edition of the New York Times.
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Typical New York Times reporting.
You need better news intelligence.
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The United States has informed Congress ...
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rinselberg
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FEB 17, 04:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Typical New York Times reporting. You need better news intelligence.
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Are there any particular sources of "news intelligence" that you would like to highlight?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-17-2024).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 17, 05:11 PM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 17, 06:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Mike Turner, who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, is a Republican and represents Ohio's 10th congressional district.
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Son of a ***** ...
"It is unclear, then, why Turner released his hair-on-fire statement when he did. Some speculate that he might have wanted to sound a high-decibel alarm about the Russians in order to prod the House into approving the Senate-passed bill on military aid to Ukraine."
There you go. I'm honestly getting really tired of this war. Why are we funding it? What exactly is the point of NATO, UN, or the European Union. This is literally in their back yard. They should be funding this almost entirely.
We've spent $113 billion dollars thus far on the Ukraine war. That is he entire budget of NASA over the span of the entire 15 years. Completely ****ing ridiculous... and I mean that with every emphasis on the word ****ing. Imagine what we could have built and flown into space for $113 billion? If I had any say... I'd say it's time for Europe to take his one and see it through to the end. They're welcome for the 60%+ or more that we've funded of this stupid war.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-17-2024).]
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rinselberg
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FEB 17, 06:48 PM
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Poland and some of the other NATO countries in Europe have provided refuge for many times more Ukrainians than the United States.
A lot of the funding for that comes out of the European countries' own "pockets" and not from the United States.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-18-2024).]
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BingB
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FEB 18, 11:07 AM
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It is dangerous to play loose with intelligence info like this, but zi think it is pretty clear why they did it at this time.
There are a certain portion of US citizens that are falling in love with Russia right now. They see Russia as harmless. They idolize Putin as "the type of strong leader we need'. They are even claiming that it would be better to live in Moscow than 'any city in the United States". They even want Ukraine to fall as punishment for cooperating with the corrupt Bidens.
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steve308
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FEB 18, 11:23 AM
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Oh, I'd bet we the good old USof A have something similiar if not more lethal floating around in space.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 18, 11:23 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Poland and some of the other NATO countries in Europe have provided refuge for many times more Ukrainians than the United States.
A lot of the funding for that comes out of the European countries' own "pockets" and not from the United States.
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Tampa has taken more than enough attractive blond women. But what does taking refugees have anything to do with it? Europe needs to get off their ass, and if they honestly care about Russia re-taking Eastern Europe... then they need to do something about it. Why does it automatically have to be the U.S.'s problem? I'm starting to get more FDR about this than TDR. Show me why I should care, and why I should help. I'm very much over it.
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
It is dangerous to play loose with intelligence info like this, but zi think it is pretty clear why they did it at this time.
There are a certain portion of US citizens that are falling in love with Russia right now. They see Russia as harmless. They idolize Putin as "the type of strong leader we need'. They are even claiming that it would be better to live in Moscow than 'any city in the United States". They even want Ukraine to fall as punishment for cooperating with the corrupt Bidens. |
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Democrats have literally ADORED Russia for the past 50+ years. From Hanoi Jane to Bernie Sanders honeymooning in the 80s, to Jen Psaki getting custom sickle and hammer gear... they only stopped their love affair with Communist Russia because they think Putin likes Trump. Which is completely insane. Given the opportunity, they would love that kind of power over here. I'm sorry... some of the stuff you say is just out there. Most of the nonsense stuff you see that's passed around Democrat circles that you think is from Republicans, is literally Russian propaganda from the Internet Research Agency.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-18-2024).]
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cliffw
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FEB 18, 11:40 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Why does it automatically have to be the U.S.'s problem? I'm starting to get more FDR about this than TDR. Show me why I should care, and why I should help. I'm very much over it. |
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Todd, I am not happy with the aid, being mainly unaccountable for. I think it is a worthy "investment", for freedom. I would be against it but the Ukranians are expending the guts and blood.
All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Hitler was the last person who kept om taking country after country. It took our blood, guts, and treasure, plus the American populace such as Rosie the Riveter and our factories to totally tool up and change production to military capabilities.
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