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williegoat
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MAR 09, 04:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
That suggests that you think there is the possibility of a "fix" to prevent at least some of these deadly shooting sprees.
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Focus on mental health. I have said it over and over. Stop trying to sidetrack the solution. You people have been talking about gun control for decades and it is not helping. How many times do I have to say it?
Stop stalling. Stop promoting a failed agenda. Wake up. Help these people.
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williegoat
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MAR 09, 04:22 PM
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I already answered just above in this very thread.
| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
As long as the Left continues to use these incidents to forward their paranoid agenda, the people will continue to be distracted from the problem.
The Left doesn't want a solution, they want an excuse.
Government gun control will only disarm the very people who could best protect the public. Government gun control only protects the government. Government gun control is totalitarian. |
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I have been saying it here for years, every time one of these incidents comes up.
Help these people before it becomes necessary to involve law enforcement. All that does is make things worse. Get the family, church or schools involved. Consult mental health professionals. Try being compassionate instead of confrontational. Be the caring person you pretend to be. Don't fake it, make it.
The left sees every tragedy as an opportunity to promote their agenda. Prevent the tragedy, instead. It is not as sensational, but it will advance civilization.
Stop being progressive and woke. Wake up and promote actual progress.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 03-09-2024).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 09, 04:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
I already answered just above in this very thread.
I have been saying it here for years, every time one of these incidents comes up. |
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Saying what?
I just reviewed all of your remarks in this thread, and I don't see anything in your remarks that is suggestive of a "fix" for at least some of these ever-recurring and deadly shooting sprees.
What am I missing?
OK, you added remarks that I had not yet seen.
I guess the only way to evaluate the sagacity of your remarks about dealing with mental health issues would be for me to really drill down into the details of this case.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-09-2024).]
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williegoat
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MAR 09, 04:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Saying what?
I just reviewed all of your remarks in this thread, and I don't see anything in your remarks that is suggestive of a "fix" for at least some of these ever-recurring and deadly shooting sprees.
What am I missing?
OK, you added remarks that I had not yet seen.
I guess the only way to evaluate the sagacity of your remarks about dealing with mental health issues would be for me to really drill down into the details of this case.
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I have been saying it here for years, every time one of these incidents comes up.
Help these people before it becomes necessary to involve law enforcement. All that does is make things worse. Get the family, church or schools involved. Consult mental health professionals. Try being compassionate instead of confrontational. Be the caring person you pretend to be. Don't fake it, make it.
The left sees every tragedy as an opportunity to promote their agenda. Prevent the tragedy, instead. It is not as sensational, but it will advance civilization.
Stop being progressive and woke. Wake up and promote actual progress.
and again, in case you missed it:
I have been saying it here for years, every time one of these incidents comes up.
Help these people before it becomes necessary to involve law enforcement. All that does is make things worse. Get the family, church or schools involved. Consult mental health professionals. Try being compassionate instead of confrontational. Be the caring person you pretend to be. Don't fake it, make it.
The left sees every tragedy as an opportunity to promote their agenda. Prevent the tragedy, instead. It is not as sensational, but it will advance civilization.
Stop being progressive and woke. Wake up and promote actual progress.
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williegoat
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MAR 09, 04:36 PM
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and besides that:
I have been saying it here for years, every time one of these incidents comes up.
Help these people before it becomes necessary to involve law enforcement. All that does is make things worse. Get the family, church or schools involved. Consult mental health professionals. Try being compassionate instead of confrontational. Be the caring person you pretend to be. Don't fake it, make it.
The left sees every tragedy as an opportunity to promote their agenda. Prevent the tragedy, instead. It is not as sensational, but it will advance civilization.
Stop being progressive and woke. Wake up and promote actual progress.
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Patrick
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MAR 09, 06:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
No offense, but I'm glad you're a Canadian and not a U.S. citizen.
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No offense taken at all. I'm eternally grateful that I'm a Canadian as well.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'd never give up my rights, no matter how many people die.
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No doubt that's exactly what goes through the mind of every psychopath.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It's not the rights that kill, it's the psychopath with the gun.
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Tell me something I don't know.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
And what you don't seem to understand, is a person willing to kill, will do whatever they can to kill.
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And what you don't seem to understand, is a person willing to kill... will have a helluva harder time killing multiple people (or even one person) with a Bic pen.
Keep firearms out of the hands of psychopaths (and criminals). Is that really too much to ask for?  [This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 03-09-2024).]
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blackrams
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MAR 09, 11:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
And what you don't seem to understand, is a person willing to kill... will have a helluva harder time killing multiple people (or even one person) with a Bic pen.
Keep firearms out of the hands of psychopaths (and criminals). Is that really too much to ask for?
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Anyone that thinks the lack of firearms will stop a psychopath from living out his/her dream/nightmare hasn't done much research or thought into how easy it is to build bombs, brew poisons or create other forms of weapons that have much greater lethality to much greater numbers of people. They are only limited by their own imaginations. A firearm is simply a tool, no good or bad is built into it. Willie is correct, it's not the tool, it's the lack of addressing the tool user.
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Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . 
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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Patrick
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MAR 10, 01:12 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Anyone that thinks the lack of firearms will stop a psychopath from living out his/her dream/nightmare hasn't done much research or thought into how easy it is to build bombs, brew poisons or create other forms of weapons that have much greater lethality to much greater numbers of people.
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Anyone who thinks the use of firearms doesn't assist a psychopath to live out his/her dream/nightmare hasn't put much research or thought into how easy it is to shoot great numbers of people.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Keep firearms out of the hands of psychopaths (and criminals). Is that really too much to ask for?
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rinselberg
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MAR 10, 02:18 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
Anyone that thinks the lack of firearms will stop a psychopath from living out his/her dream/nightmare hasn't done much research or thought into how easy it is to build bombs, brew poisons or create other forms of weapons that have much greater lethality to much greater numbers of people. They are only limited by their own imaginations. A firearm is simply a tool, no good or bad is built into it. Willie is correct: it's not the tool, it's the lack of addressing the tool user. |
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"They are only limited by their own imaginations."
EXACTLY!
What kind of killing spree requires more imagination?
You can't go to a federally licensed Bomb dealer and buy a ready-to-use bomb in a single, straightforward retail transaction. You can't drop into your neighborhood Poisons or Bio Weapons shop and ask for something that's really "handy" for killing a lot of people without burdening a convenience-minded psychopath with a tedious requirement for some extraordinary level of planning. Those are not the easiest ways of acquiring and then using a means to kill a lot of people.
But a gun..?
The Lewiston shooter used the modern American killing enthusiast's weapon of choice: an AR-15-style semiautomatic rifle.
It was lightweight and easy for him to carry and operate—and kill or maim a lot of people. Like so many of his peers in the vibrant U.S. killing spree sector, he didn't have to resort to any deception or subterfuge to get one. He bought it in a straightforward retail transaction that was perfectly "legit." He hardly needed any imagination at all. He was just following the same "script" that's been used over and over again in this country during the last umpteen years.
It's not clear to me whether the local police tried to use Maine's so-called "yellow flag" law to confiscate his gun(s), after the family expressed their concerns about his mental stability.
In this recent on-air conversation with MSNBC's Alex Wagner, Margaret Groban, who teaches Second Amendment-related legal issues at the University of Maine School of Law, makes the case for replacing Maine's so-called "yellow flag" law with a more practical version of an Extreme Risk Protection Order or "red flag" law that other states have adopted.
MSNBC air date: October 26, 2023. The complete video segment is 6 minutes and 34 seconds.
"Why Maine's 'yellow flag' law isn't adequate"
Maine Gun Safety Coalition; updated after the Lewiston killing spree.
https://www.mainegunsafety....ess%20to%20firearms.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-10-2024).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 10, 09:30 AM
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IMAGINE this: The Lewiston killer used a Ruger SFAR or Small Frame Autoloading Rifle, according to testimony from Maine's State Police.
When I encountered the first breaking news reports about "killings" in Maine—as the tragedy was unfolding—my first thought was "It must be a bombing or series of bombings, or some artfully contrived plot using a chemical poison or biological agent."
You can imagine my surprise when later reports revealed it was a gun!
"Maine State Police identify gun used in Lewiston mass shootings"
| quote | | State police said the gun Robert Card used in October was purchased in the town of Poland just days before he entered a psychiatric hospital in New York. |
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News Center Maine; February 16, 2024.
https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/le wiston-auburn/maine-state-police-testimony-robert-card-mass-shooting-gun-purchase-mental-health-timeline/97-82ae726e-d42a-4bde-a363-21eb9c744645
There are more references to Maine's "yellow flag" law in this earlier report on the tragedy:
"Suspected Lewiston mass shooter reportedly bought gun before psychiatric evaluation"
Ariana St Pierre and Dan Lampariello for WGME; October 28th 2023.
https://wgme.com/news/ local...aine-yellow-flag-law[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-10-2024).]
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