''Autism'' CAN be triggered by Vaccines. (Page 2/8)
williegoat APR 23, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

You are the one claiming to have enough knowledge of medicine and chemistry to decide what medicine is healthy for you.

I never claim to have the "special secret knowledge" that you do. I point to recorded history which is the OPPOSIT of secret.



You still don't get it.

I have the power to decide what is healthy for me. You can decide what is healthy for you. Neither of us has the right to decide what is healthy for our neighbors' children.

I am opposed to authoritarianism, in all of its disguises.
williegoat APR 23, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

Oh no. I was just getting used to the delusion of me being fred toast, Now I am also "sourmash"?

And I'll bet sourmash is no longer around due to cancel culture crowd around here, right?


You and he(she?) would have gotten along famously. He lived just up the road from fred.
cliffw APR 23, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Oh no. I was just getting used to the delusion of me being fred toast, Now I am also "sourmash"?

And I'll bet sourmash is no longer around due to cancel culture crowd around here, right?



Wrong again. Like many others, even before the internet, it was his attitude stupid.
82-T/A [At Work] APR 23, 03:49 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
Oh no. I was just getting used to the delusion of me being fred toast, Now I am also "sourmash"?

And I'll bet sourmash is no longer around due to cancel culture crowd around here, right?



Sour Mash was the radical right-wing version of Fredtoast / you. We collectively banned him because he was so obnoxious.



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Originally posted by BingB:
What would you do to fix this problem?

I don't like corrupt government, but it is clearly better than no government regulation at all. History has proven how that works out.



Although I do plan on running for public office at some point, the truth is, I'll probably never be in the position to do anything at all about it. BUT... since you're asking my opinion on what I would do if I was "president," this is what I'd do.

I'd order an investigation on pharmaceutical companies, FDA approvals, and the fast-track process. I'd want to see the following:

- Every time a member of congress sent a letter making a recommendation or demand to the FDA commissioner, HHS director, or any other leads within the FDA/HHS.
- Every time a drug or vaccine was passed after (the line above)
- How many employees have left the FDA to go work for a pharmaceutical company, and investigate their finances (intelligence employees are already obligated to this annually)
- How many employees from pharmaceutical companies have gone to work for the FDA, and back.

... I'd apply several analytics to determine if there's a pattern / history of what I'll call, improper behavior (even if it's currently legal). I'd make the findings widely known, and I'd pass an executive order (FDA and HHS employees are MY employees, and work directly for me) creating a series of regulations, and then I'd ask Congress to implement laws to codify these into actual legislation because I think most agency-created regulations are basically nonsense and unconstitutional. Some of these regulations would put restrictions on what employees can do, who they can associate with (all things that intelligence employees already have to deal with), etc. I'd then fast-track the drug-approval process for drugs and vaccines that have already been approved by 2nd-party "western countries" that have already done the research, client trials, etc. Usually these get blocked because another US-based pharmaceutical company doesn't want the competition. But that's not my problem... my concern is to the people of the United States.

I'd then commission as study on vaccines and autism. I'd want to make sure the commission and researchers were adversarial. Which means I'd get people who were vehemently against vaccines (but that are professionals) and get equally professional people who swear by them. I'd ask Congress to pay for a study that could conclusively research this, and as with all studies and research, I would ask it to be peer reviewed and made available to the public for review and inclusion of any extraneous variables that weren't originally considered.


I mean, off the top of my head... this is just a few things I pulled out of my ass... but this is all pretty much common sense stuff that any reasonable person would conclude. The problem is... too many people, for political reasons, are unwilling to question the government. There's this modern idea from the left that "government is good," and they want to defend it at all expense. Any mention that a government is inefficient and ineffective is an insult to their ideology that socialism (or God forbid, Communism) could be successful. Yet, every time, this is also why both of those economic models always fail.

As Mark Twain said: "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and the government only when it deserves it."
BingB APR 23, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:The problem is... too many people, for political reasons, are unwilling to question the government. There's this modern idea from the left that "government is good," and they want to defend it at all expense. Any mention that a government is inefficient and ineffective is an insult to their ideology that socialism (or God forbid, Communism) could be successful. Yet, every time, this is also why both of those economic models always fail.

As Mark Twain said: "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and the government only when it deserves it."




The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals. They have been convinced that regulation is a bad thing. The only problem is a thing called history. Before the FDA people were dying from bad medicine and dangerous medical devices. The general public lacked the ability to spend the time and resources required learning science, chemistry, and biology to determine what was best for them. They were easy targets for exploitation. Not only were they getting bad advice but they were also getting ripped of of millions of dollars. There was an overwhelming outcry FOR REGULATION.

There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". If you actually ever listened to anything the people on the left are saying (instead of just blindly believing what you are told they are saying) you would realize that there is a lot of criticism of our government from the left. Nut none of them are crazy enough to claim that the country would be better off with "freedom" instead of "socialism/regulation". But again we have to look at actual history.

"Freedom" gave laborers deadly working conditions. Government regulation ended that.

"Freedom" gave us rivers catching on fire and mountains strip mined to rubble. Government regulation ended that.

"Freedom" us toxic air and poison water. Government has ended that.

"Freedom" gave us the Great Depression. Government has ended that.

"Freedom" gave us Jim Crowe laws. Government ended that.

I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.
williegoat APR 23, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals. They have been convinced that regulation is a bad thing. The only problem is a thing called history. Before the FDA people were dying from bad medicine and dangerous medical devices. The general public lacked the ability to spend the time and resources required learning science, chemistry, and biology to determine what was best for them. They were easy targets for exploitation. Not only were they getting bad advice but they were also getting ripped of of millions of dollars. There was an overwhelming outcry FOR REGULATION.

There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". If you actually ever listened to anything the people on the left are saying (instead of just blindly believing what you are told they are saying) you would realize that there is a lot of criticism of our government from the left. Nut none of them are crazy enough to claim that the country would be better off with "freedom" instead of "socialism/regulation". But again we have to look at actual history.

"Freedom" gave laborers deadly working conditions. Government regulation ended that.

"Freedom" gave us rivers catching on fire and mountains strip mined to rubble. Government regulation ended that.

"Freedom" us toxic air and poison water. Government has ended that.

"Freedom" gave us the Great Depression. Government has ended that.

"Freedom" gave us Jim Crowe laws. Government ended that.

I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.



Karl would be so proud.
williegoat APR 23, 05:04 PM
This highlights one of the bedrock principles of Leftist dogma. They have no faith in human nature. They believe that people are inherently evil; yet collectively, if given enough power, they will become righteous. This, of course, is sheer madness.

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Doug85GT APR 23, 05:07 PM
I don't believe anyone has been able to conclusively prove that vaccines are the sole cause of the increase of autism. I believe that autism and many other health problems that we are seeing today are caused by multiple factors.

Some other factors that could be contributing:

  • Micro-plastics are now ubiquitous -- It is not fully known who this affects unborn children. It is proven to lower testosterone levels. It may be a contributor to many other issues.
  • Increased Estrogen in Drinking water -- All of those pregnancy pills are huge does of estrogen. Most of that estrogen gets flushed down the toilet. Water treatment plants cannot remove it so it ends up in the water supply.
  • Significant Diet Change -- Our modern diet is dramatically different than it was a hundred years ago or even just a few decades ago. There are a lot more processed foods and most of our foods are now wrapped in plastic (see the first point). The nutrients and micro-nutrients are different between processed and unprocessed foods. Our foods contain lots of chemicals added that you will not find in your kitchen. All of this does have an effect on unborn children. It has been proven with lab rats that the diet the mother eats can determine whether the children grow up to be normal or obese. The proteins in our foods activate and deactivate genes, especially the diet the mother has as she is carrying a child. This is epigenetics which is a relatively new field which we barely understand.
  • People are having children much later -- The average age of parents is increasing every year. The older the parents the greater the chance of health problems for the children. The chance of having a mentally retarded child goes up as the parents go over 30 and especially over 40. Parents having children in those age ranges is becoming more and more common.


The above is just a few things off the top of my head that could also be contributing to the increase in autism.
82-T/A [At Work] APR 23, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:
The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals. They have been convinced that regulation is a bad thing. The only problem is a thing called history. Before the FDA people were dying from bad medicine and dangerous medical devices. The general public lacked the ability to spend the time and resources required learning science, chemistry, and biology to determine what was best for them. They were easy targets for exploitation. Not only were they getting bad advice but they were also getting ripped of of millions of dollars. There was an overwhelming outcry FOR REGULATION.

There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". If you actually ever listened to anything the people on the left are saying (instead of just blindly believing what you are told they are saying) you would realize that there is a lot of criticism of our government from the left. Nut none of them are crazy enough to claim that the country would be better off with "freedom" instead of "socialism/regulation". But again we have to look at actual history.

"Freedom" gave laborers deadly working conditions. Government regulation ended that.
"Freedom" gave us rivers catching on fire and mountains strip mined to rubble. Government regulation ended that.
"Freedom" us toxic air and poison water. Government has ended that.
"Freedom" gave us the Great Depression. Government has ended that.
"Freedom" gave us Jim Crowe laws. Government ended that.

I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.




This right here is why I have no interest in having a conversation with you. You asked me... "what would I do," and I responded. To that, you completely ignored the entire point of the conversation... which made up like 90% of what I said... and then respond to one part which was effectively the meaningless part of it, and went on a rant / tirade about whatever nonsense this is above. This is why I think you're an ******* , and while I honestly cannot stand having a conversation with you. At least with Rinselberg, he would discuss the points, and have a conversation. All you do is antagonize. The forum is worse off because you are in it, and you have absolutely nothing of value with which to provide.
williegoat APR 23, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
At least with Rinselberg, he would discuss the points, and have a conversation. All you do is antagonize. The forum is worse off because you are in it, and you have absolutely nothing of value with which to provide.


Rinselberg was a asset to the forum. Fred could be described with fewer letters.