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sourmash
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FEB 22, 09:54 AM
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Soccer, now there is a virus we can probably cure.
Don't viruses inhabit the interior of the cell and bacteria inhabit the outside, leading to their difficulty at battling a virus? So, a nanobot can't just eliminate the virus in a single step without total cell destruction.
Herd immunity is working on injected people HOPEFULLY with the same efficacy as with pure-bloods. Everybody now knows the shots don't prevent contracting and spreading. The pure-bloods largely knew all this by intuition from the beginning.
But we don't know that the injected haven't damaged their immune systems and might be continually susceptible to coronavirus.
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maryjane
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FEB 22, 09:56 AM
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| quote | | 9 - Pfizer has admitted that the "vaccine" does nothing for Omicron, or other strains, which is why they're working to release a new vaccine next month. |
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Evidently my browser shows text up that 82's does not. From his link:
| quote | | Real-world data from the United Kingdom has shown that Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines are only about 10% effective at preventing symptomatic infection from omicron 20 weeks after the second dose, according to study from the U.K. Health Security Agency. However, the original two doses still provide good protection against severe illness, the study found. |
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The thing about contagious diseases like colds, flu and now Covid, is there are different degrees of contagion. People with a severe case of the illness have more cells at work reproducing more virus and their body is shedding more virus particles than those infected but only mildly and are asymptomatic. This is true of any viral illness and also true of bacterial respiratory illnesses in both animals and humans.
There are 4 pairs of people.
1. Two people sit at a bus stop. One has a mild cold. One is healthy.
2. Two people sit next to each other on a train. One has a severe case of flu, the other is healthy.
3. Two people sit next to each other in church. One has a very symptomatic case of Covid, the other is healthy.
4. In a different pew 3 rows back, two people sit next to each other. One has a mild asymptomatic case of influenza. The other is healthy.
Select the instance(s) in which it is most likely the healthy person will be infected by the infected person next to them.
I'll add a 5th pair since I recently read some really really ignorant person claim they had the same right to refuse vaccination as a woman has in regards to abortion. "My body-my choice".
4. Two women sit at a lunch counter, One obviously pregnant, one appears to be barren.
What are the chances that the barren woman will become pregnant as a result of sitting next to the very rotund pregnant woman?
Most reliable research has shown that the best protection is natural immunity + vaccination and booster.
But, the effects of actually having and surviving Covid brings with it increased chances of cardio problem in a large % of the survivors, not to mention, that having the illness brings the obvious chance of dying from it and infecting other people while ya have it.
https://gizmodo.com/covid-1...-problems-1848517316[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 02-22-2022).]
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sourmash
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FEB 22, 10:13 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
The thing about contagious diseases like colds, flu and now Covid, is there are different degrees of contagion. People with a severe case of the illness have more cells at work reproducing more virus and their body is shedding more virus particles than those infected but only mildly and are asymptomatic. This is true of any viral illness and also true of bacterial respiratory illnesses in both animals and humans.
There are 4 pairs of people.
1. Two people sit at a bus stop. One has a mild cold. One is healthy.
2. Two people sit next to each other on a train. One has a severe case of flu, the other is healthy.
3. Two people sit next to each other in church. One has a very symptomatic case of Covid, the other is healthy.
4. In a different pew 3 rows back, two people sit next to each other. One has a mild asymptomatic case of influenza. The other is healthy.
Select the instance(s) in which it is most likely the healthy person will be infected by the infected person next to them.
I'll add a 5th pair since I recently read some really really ignorant person claim they had the same right to refuse vaccination as a woman has in regards to abortion. "My body-my choice".
4. Two women sit at a lunch counter, One obviously pregnant, one appears to be barren.
What are the chances that the barren woman will become pregnant as a result of sitting next to the very rotund pregnant woman?
Most reliable research has shown that the best protection is natural immunity + vaccination and booster.
But, the effects of actually having and surviving Covid brings with it increased chances of cardio problem in a large % of the survivors, not to mention, that having the illness brings the obvious chance of dying from it and infecting other people while ya have it. |
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A stated and known risk of the injections is cardio problems, blood clotting and.death. A stated commonality with the injections is that Covid can still be contracted and spread to others.
Tens of thousands are dead from the injections, at least. Millions are injection injured.
Tell us more about what The Science says, because we don't see it enough already.
But, first tell us how come your set never admits you are wrong when The Science keeps having to acknowledge that they are wrong?
Every.
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Way.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 02-22-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 10:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Evidently my browser shows text up that 82's does not. From his link:
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Respectfully, 10% efficacy is so absurdly low, as to basically be within the percentage of error. With COVID data being so flawed as a result of being so politicized, 10% basically means it's not doing anything at all. So much in fact that... and I repeat, Pfizer realizes that it's basically done nothing, so they're developing an entirely new vaccine to combat it. You're basically trying to convince me that I should take a perceived 5% effective rate (minus margin of error) seriously. I don't...
| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
Select the instance(s) in which it is most likely the healthy person will be infected by the infected person next to them.
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This seems completely aside from anything we are talking about. We know as a FACT that regardless of whether or not those individuals are "vaccinated" with the mRNA, doesn't change *AT ALL* the ability for the symptomatic person to transmit the virus, or the other person to contract it. What is the point? Are you trying to tell me that someone the vaccinated person is maybe less likely to get it? We know now this is NOT true.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-22-2022).]
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maryjane
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FEB 22, 11:09 AM
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I generally giveall these conspiracy meanderings all the attention they warrant, including (but not limited to the magnetics, the DNA altering, the graphene, and the 'population control' theories.
| quote | | Tens of thousands are dead from the injections, at least. Millions are injection injured. |
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Prove it. With Science.
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sourmash
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FEB 22, 11:41 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
I generally giveall these conspiracy meanderings all the attention they warrant, including (but not limited to the magnetics, the DNA altering, the graphene, and the 'population control' theories.
Prove it. With Science. |
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You might fool yourself with all that strawman deflection, but you have yet to be correct on this Covid MSM mantra.
Read the UK's govt site stating approx 2000 deaths there alone. The Science posted those numbers itself. The population of the UK is what in proportion to injected populations of the world?
The conspiracy theory is the MSM talking points being promoted here. For over a year now you have repeated every facet of the official narrative EXCEPT when they admit they were wrong and backtrack. Why is that? Maybe I'm wrong and you have propagated the backtracking that The Science has done. Can you share some of the statements they have made that were erroneous and you have conceded?
Here are some of THE SCIENCE'S news releases: tens of millions will die of Covid19. Two weeks to flatten the curve. You won't get Covid if you take shots. You won't spread it with the shots. You won't create breakthroughs cases. The uninjected are causing all the breakthroughs. The shots don't cause myocarditis and pericarditis. The shots are better than natural immunity. Herd immunity won't stop covid. The shots don't cause clots. The shots are safe and effective.
I seriously wish I wasnt right.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 02-22-2022).]
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maryjane
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FEB 22, 01:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
This seems completely aside from anything we are talking about. We know as a FACT that regardless of whether or not those individuals are "vaccinated" with the mRNA, doesn't change *AT ALL* the ability for the symptomatic person to transmit the virus, or the other person to contract it. What is the point? Are you trying to tell me that someone the vaccinated person is maybe less likely to get it? We know now this is NOT true.
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I'm not real sure what that underlined part means.
The vaccine very much DOES change the ability of the infected person to transmit the virus and it does so by decreasing the severity (infectiousness) of the person with the illness.
If a person drives ten miles on icy roads, what are the odds of wrecking compared to a person that drives 100 miles on an icy road?
If 2 men have sexx with a fertile woman, one with a high sperm count of very motile seman and another man with a low sperm count of lazy or defective motility semen, which is most likely to cause conception?
Which is most likely to hit a 6" diameter target 20 yards away?
A completely novice/virgin shooter with a .22 rifle or the same shooter with a 20 ga shotgun using 9 1/2 shot?
The number of virus particles being shed is much less in a mild case than in a serious case. The more viral particles shed, the higher risk of someone else being infected. The more people with serious cases, the more people get infected. The more people with mild cases, the fewer viral particles shed and the fewerinfections spread.
Natural immunity does the same thing. An unvaccinated person gets it, survives and regardless of the severity of his first infection, the next time he gets it, it is far less severe and he sheds fewer particles and thus is less infectious. You can't accept one without accepting the other but the risks involved with obtaining protection thru natural immunity are HUGE compared to getting it thru vaccination.
Everyone that gets infected, gets it from viral particles shed by someone else.
I don't remember who first stated this (maybe Jonas Salk).
"Vaccinations don't stop pandemics. Vaccination Programs do."
We are very fortunate that polio has little to no mutation and no known zoological reservoir, because the Salk polio vaccine was mass 'tested' on 1.3 million schoolchildren only a year after Salk invented it and had only tested it on former polio paients and his own family. (600,000 were placebo)
One of the first things noticed after whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine came available in the 40s was not just a big reduction in the number of cases of vaccinated children, but an almost equal reduction in the # of cases in Unvaccinated children.
When the MRnA vaccines were being developed, the projected (hoped for) success of it was predicated on a large number of people being quickly vaccinated. (If I remember correctly, the hoped for number was between 70-80% of the population) The % of people needed to be vaccinated to get 'herd immunity for Measles is 95%. For polio, it is 80%. For Smallpox it was somewhere between 80-90%.
That, didn't happen.
As of Feb 19, 2022, over a year after the vaccines became available only 65% of the US population are vaccinated. In the meantime, the virus has mutated to the point the original vaccine is less effective than it was on the variant it was designed to give protection against. There was a surge in vaccinations after the Delta outbreak and another after Omicron became the predominant variant. Too late. The original vaccine was not as effective as it was on the early strain. It does however, still provide for a less serious infection and fewer infections because fewer particles are being shed.
This is not Virologist stuff. It's 8th grade biology class.
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maryjane
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FEB 22, 01:15 PM
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I was hoping you would provide some Scientific proof Sourmash.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 22, 02:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
I'm not real sure what that underlined part means.
The vaccine very much DOES change the ability of the infected person to transmit the virus and it does so by decreasing the severity (infectiousness) of the person with the illness.
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The browser I use has chosen to auto-correct things that I say without asking. That should say "somehow" not someone twice.
And your argument here is wildly unrealistic.
Yes, a person who is coughing wildly with snot dripping everywhere is likely to spread more germs everywhere; however, that's a moot point. People not washing their hands (most do not), rubbing their eyes, going to the bathroom, everything else and touching everything... the mRNA vaccine will make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever to prevent you from getting those germs.
Second, I've seen absolutely no indication whatsoever that anyone who was vaccinated that got COVID, had those symptoms any less than someone who was unvaccinated. I am vaccinated, as is my whole family except my daughter. All my neighbors are vaccinated, and almost everyone at work was vaccinated. Everyone got the Delta variant, and they all had the exact same symptoms as the people who didn't get the vaccine. There was really no perceivable difference between what people got. It all started with everyone thinking they had allergies... a little sneezing, etc. And then everyone had the exact same symptoms. All were magical "breakthrough" cases to use the term that the media and CDC were using, before we realized that in fact the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting COVID.
I mean... if people didn't actually believe that the vaccine prevented you from getting COVID, then what exactly does the term "breakthrough" mean anyway?
According to the CDC, a “breakthrough” case is when a person tests positive for COVID-19 at least two weeks after becoming fully vaccinated. According to CDC... nearly 65-75% of people in the US who are fully vaccinated ended up getting COVID.
So, sorry... you're basically spreading propaganda at this point. You're cherry picking old information, and reiterating information that we debunked almost a year ago. You're also participating in the third stage of truth...
- Ridicule
- Violent opposition
- Acceptance as self-evident
You act like everyone knew from the beginning that these vaccines did very little, would not give an immunity, and wouldn't prevent the spread. This is total nonsense. By May of 2021, everyone believed that if they got the Pfizer or Moderna, they'd be inoculated and could no longer spread it. I respect you MJ, and I hate responding to you in this way, but you're basically shoveling a bunch of horse **** my way.
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blackrams
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FEB 22, 02:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The browser I use has chosen to auto-correct things that I say without asking. That should say "somehow" not someone twice.
And your argument here is wildly unrealistic.
Yes, a person who is coughing wildly with snot dripping everywhere is likely to spread more germs everywhere; however, that's a moot point. People not washing their hands (most do not), rubbing their eyes, going to the bathroom, everything else and touching everything... the mRNA vaccine will make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever to prevent you from getting those germs.
Second, I've seen absolutely no indication whatsoever that anyone who was vaccinated that got COVID, had those symptoms any less than someone who was unvaccinated. I am vaccinated, as is my whole family except my daughter. All my neighbors are vaccinated, and almost everyone at work was vaccinated. Everyone got the Delta variant, and they all had the exact same symptoms as the people who didn't get the vaccine. There was really no perceivable difference between what people got. It all started with everyone thinking they had allergies... a little sneezing, etc. And then everyone had the exact same symptoms. All were magical "breakthrough" cases to use the term that the media and CDC were using, before we realized that in fact the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting COVID.
I mean... if people didn't actually believe that the vaccine prevented you from getting COVID, then what exactly does the term "breakthrough" mean anyway?
According to the CDC, a “breakthrough” case is when a person tests positive for COVID-19 at least two weeks after becoming fully vaccinated. According to CDC... nearly 65-75% of people in the US who are fully vaccinated ended up getting COVID.
So, sorry... you're basically spreading propaganda at this point. You're cherry picking old information, and reiterating information that we debunked almost a year ago. You're also participating in the third stage of truth...
- Ridicule
- Violent opposition
- Acceptance as self-evident
You act like everyone knew from the beginning that these vaccines did very little, would not give an immunity, and wouldn't prevent the spread. This is total nonsense. By May of 2021, everyone believed that if they got the Pfizer or Moderna, they'd be inoculated and could no longer spread it. I respect you MJ, and I hate responding to you in this way, but you're basically shoveling a bunch of horse **** my way.
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Interesting, won't say your experience isn't your experience but, mine is almost the exact opposite. Of the 300+ people I've personally met involved in the Moderna study, some have gotten COVID, none had died and all report their COVID experience as very similar to common colds or flu like experiences. I see many of those people on an almost monthly basis and we do discuss this topic. I've attended 5 memorials directly related to non-vaccinated COVID deaths of friends. Believe what you wish, doesn't matter to me but, convince me of my error with proof.
I typed up a much longer and more in-depth response but, know that regardless of what is said, no one is going to change their position. So, why bother.
Rams
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