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randye
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MAY 25, 07:25 PM
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U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduces the Age21 Act.
Washington—Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today introduced the Age 21 Act, a bill that would raise the minimum age to purchase assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines from 18 to 21.
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm not totally against this... it's not a horrible idea.
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"Not a horrible idea" ?
OK, then reconcile that "not a horrible idea" with 16 year olds getting drivers licenses to freely operate multi-ton motor vehicles on public roads. (There is a big reason why insurance rates for those under 20-25 are substantially higher than for older, more responsible, drivers.)
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being able to vote and thereby directly affect the laws that we all have to live by.
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being universally allowed by law to enter into legal, binding contracts on their own, (i.e. student loans credit cards, etc.)
Reconcile that with a reason why not 30 years old instead of 21 as per your observation of delayed maturity and responsibility in your post.
When 30 years old proves to be a demographic that is "insufficiently mature" what then?
We don't make laws to penalize everyone because of the most irresponsible, immature and /or mentally ill ....otherwise we would have a plethora of existing laws proscribing Leftists.....which, come to think of it, is "not a horrible idea" 
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gtjoe
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MAY 25, 07:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
No Todd, you don't "know" that. I spent every summer for about 20 years up the coast in the middle of nowhere. I often wished I had a firearm of some sort for protection against predators, of any sort. It turned out I never had the need to use one. I was perhaps fortunate.
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I keep a fire extinguisher under my kitchen sink so far I haven't had the need to use it, but I think i will keep one there anyway.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 25, 07:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
"Plenty"? No, just no. I'm afraid the US is in a league all of its own.
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Sorry Patrick, you are wrong... you are just wildly throwing that out there as leftist propaganda. Sorry to be mean, but you're not really providing any value in this discussion, just throwing out nonsense.
The United States is one of the FEW RARE countries that allows it's citizens... excuse me... where the citizens have told the Government, that they have the right to own guns. In countries where it's basically impossible to own guns, the ONLY people who have them end up being terrorists. There have been dozens and dozens of mass shootings by terrorists throughout Europe in places like Belgium, the UK, etc... almost all as a result of terrorism or some other psychopath. I'll never forget this scene where a UK police officer pleads for his life while laying in the street as a terrorist stands there and looks at him, and then shoots him in the head. Their police have no weapons, so all he could do is sit there and beg.
The U.S. isn't even in the top 50 for murder rate... and Canada is right behind it. You focus on shootings, but there's bombs, using a car to plow through crowds, and all other means of mass casualties that psychos use.
You will never be able to convince me that outlawing guns in the United States will reduce the number of murders... because then, we'll have the same situation as they end up having in places like the UK, Belgium, Norway, etc... where one person gets a gun, goes on a shooting spree... and no one can stop him.
Anyway, again, sorry... not trying to be a jerk, but I'm not going to respond to your non-supported comments because you'd just be wasting my time.
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rinselberg
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MAY 25, 07:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
But the question goes... if you're old enough to fight... why can't you be old enough to buy guns and liquor? |
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The Age21 Act would not make it illegal for a person of age 18 to buy a traditional long gun or rifle. It requires a minimum age of 21 for a person to buy certain categories of firearms, including what the text defines as an "assault rifle."
I suggest that anyone with an interest in getting into it at a more detailed level scroll back to find the post where I provided a link to the text of the Age21 Act. This is my second post in this thread. That was my first post.
I would have to review the Age21 Act at more length to understand what the implications are, beyond the most obvious scenario of "an 18-year old walks into a gun store."
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 25, 07:40 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
"Not a horrible idea" ?
OK, then reconcile that "not a horrible idea" with 16 year olds getting drivers licenses to freely operate multi-ton motor vehicles on public roads. (There is a big reason why insurance rates for those under 20-25 are substantially higher than for older, more responsible, drivers.)
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being able to vote and thereby directly affect the laws that we all have to live by.
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Neither of these are proving your point.
The vast majority of vehicle deaths are caused by DUIs and teens. Additionally, there are a lot of restrictions on younger people, including significantly higher insurance premiums... so I wouldn't have a hard time reconciling this if you were asking me to compare this to more restrictive gun laws.
As for the voting, definitely doesn't work in your favor here either... I voted Democrat when I was 18 because I didn't know any better... as did most of my friends as well back then.
I'm not saying I am all for it, simply saying that it doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. But I question whether or not it would make a difference... and if it conceivably wouldn't make a difference at all, then it doesn't make sense as a law. I'm 100% about my right to buy and own guns not be infringed, as the intent of the 2nd amendment.
That's why I recently bought my daughter this:
I don't even own a gun personally, but I got that for my daughter first. I'm inclined though to buy several guns as soon as I can before laws are implemented that may restrict my right.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 05-25-2022).]
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williegoat
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MAY 25, 07:43 PM
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In order to see how STUPID and USELESS gun control laws are, one need look no farther than Mexico.
Don't pretend to know ANYTHING about mass murder until you know something about my neighbors to the south.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 05-25-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 25, 07:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The Age21 Act would not make it illegal for a person of age 18 to buy a traditional long gun or rifle. It requires a minimum age of 21 for a person to buy certain categories of firearms, including what the text defines as an "assault rifle."
I suggest that anyone with an interest in getting into it at a more detailed level scroll back to find the post where I provided a link to the text of the Age21 Act. This is my second post in this thread. That was my first post.
I would have to review the Age21 Act at more length to understand what the implications are, beyond the most obvious scenario of "an 18-year old walks into a gun store."
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Well, like I said... I'm not outright against it. It does seem to show that most of the people doing these shootings are teens. But in most cases, the guns were taken from their parents. I think this is one of the few cases where the kid bought the gun himself.
Here's what I don't understand. They were talking about him being poor, this and that... I was a broke 18 year old too. I could barely afford to put gas in my car. I certainly couldn't afford to buy an AR-15. I haven't priced them... I don't own one, but I'd imagine it would be around $500-600 bucks for a basic one, right? If he was broke, how did he have the money to lay out to buy two AR-15s with multiple magazines and all that ammo?
EDIT: and for that matter, how did no one notice when he had them delivered to the house?[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 05-25-2022).]
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Patrick
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MAY 25, 07:45 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Anyway, again, sorry... not trying to be a jerk, but I'm not going to respond to your non-supported comments because you'd just be wasting my time.
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Fine by me... and I won't be apologizing for expressing an opinion that doesn't happen to agree with yours.
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rinselberg
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MAY 25, 07:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by randye:
"Not a horrible idea" ?
OK, then reconcile that "not a horrible idea" with 16 year olds getting drivers licenses to freely operate multi-ton motor vehicles on public roads. (There is a big reason why insurance rates for those under 20-25 are substantially higher than for older, more responsible, drivers.)
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being able to vote and thereby directly affect the laws that we all have to live by.
Reconcile that with 18 year olds being universally allowed by law to enter into legal, binding contracts on their own, (i.e. student loans credit cards, etc.)
Reconcile that with a reason why not 30 years old instead of 21 as per your observation of delayed maturity and responsibility in your post.
When 30 years old proves to be a demographic that is "insufficiently mature" what then?
We don't make laws to penalize everyone because of the most irresponsible, immature and /or mentally ill ....otherwise we would have a plethora of existing laws proscribing Leftists.....which, come to think of it, is "not a horrible idea" |
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I am reconciled to all of that. Maybe there are other age thresholds that would best be raised. If we have to improve everything else before we improve the "firearms thing"—that's a FAIL. A "Swing and a Miss", as San Francisco Giants TV broadcaster Duane Kuiper likes to say.
As far as forum member randye's other post, where he put the stupid GIF of President Biden—and this is for anyone else who might be reading along—I never said or represented that Senator Feinstein herself was central to the drafting of the text of the Age21 Act.
She's the sponsor of the Age21 Act, along with two other Senators (also Democrats.) I think of the Age21 Act as (likely) a text that was fully drafted, if not originally conceived, by other (and likely, younger) people. "Staffers." Or what have you. But not Senator Feinstein herself.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-25-2022).]
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Patrick
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MAY 25, 07:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Why didn't you have a firearm if you wanted one?
Was it due to regulations, personal preference, area restrictions, procurement hassles?
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Probably more to do with laziness than anything else. I was gambling that I wouldn't need a firearm while staying in a remote area for a couple weeks at a time each summer. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably go through the process of acquiring one. Despite never owning a firearm, I'm not against ownership of them, as some here have tried to imply over the years. Heck, I even posted about my experiences at the gun range Here.
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Not a loaded question, just curious.
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Good pun. 
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