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Fats
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JUL 10, 02:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
Here is part of the problem....
Laws codify behavior.
Laws specify punishment for breaking the law.
Laws are not uniformly enforced among lawbreakers.
If the punishment for breaking the law is not enforced, the law does no real world good.
We have hundreds of pages of gun laws in the CFR and in the various States.
Many of them are not enforced.
How are more, or new laws going to help solve the problems?
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Exactly.
For instance. A few years ago around here some people started driving around at night with those light bars on their cars, blinding everyone. The police did nothing.
Fast forward to this week. I've had three cars run red lights, not "pink" lights, RED lights in front of me. I get cut off multiple times a night, and the majority of vehicles are driving down the road with their highbeams on. I saw a motorcycle cut off a row of cars (one at a time), then have a pickup pull out on front of him, so he spent the next few minutes road raging with the truck... The cop (that he cut off earlier) turned off. This is in a small town.
20 years ago my wife got pulled over for her lights being too bright in this town. They were factory and may have just needed adjustment.
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jdv
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JUL 10, 03:36 PM
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Why do we need "new" laws when they don't enforce the existing laws.
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olejoedad
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JUL 10, 03:39 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
Why do we need "new" laws when they don't enforce the existing laws. |
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Exactly my point!
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUL 10, 04:18 PM
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Damn... took me a minute...
"Bet he White..."
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rinselberg
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JUL 10, 04:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
Why do we need "new" laws when they don't enforce the existing laws? |
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There were "red flag" laws in Illinois that had the possibility of preventing the Highland Park perpetrator from completing the legal purchase of any firearms before he reached age 21. (The perp bought some of his guns before he was age 21.) But in this case, the "red flag" laws were not invoked because the laws took into account the judgement of the perp's parents or guardians; in this case, it was his father. And his father had a kind of lackadaisical or "don't care" attitude about it. A permissive attitude. He disregarded the warning signs. Maybe he wasn't even aware of the warning signs.
I'm not sure that the police agencies in Illinois did everything that they could and should have done, but I'm not sure that they didn't, based on what I've read about the case.
If the perp had been "red-flagged" before he reached 21, maybe that would have created a record that could have been used to "red flag" him again after he was 21.
I doubt that anyone here is really informed enough to say that the existing laws were not enforced in the Highland Park case, prior to the moment when the perp started firing.
"I read this message, but I still have questions..."
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/000268.html#p19[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-10-2022).]
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jdv
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JUL 10, 05:38 PM
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The red flag laws didn't work for Nikolas cruz when the law was called to the place he was staying because he was a threat. They did nothing and he went on to kill 17 people. Don't blame local authority this was federal. We don't need new laws we need the feds to do there jobs. [This message has been edited by jdv (edited 07-10-2022).]
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olejoedad
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JUL 10, 06:33 PM
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We have too many Federal firearms regulations now that are not enforced.
Perhaps, if all firearm involved criminal activity was prosecuted as Federal offenses, and the penalties enforced as prescribed in existing law, violence involving firearms would be reduced.
And Red Flag laws? Nothing says "America" like removing due process from the system.
Just ask any of the 01/06/21 protestors that are still languishing in jail without trial....
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rinselberg
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JUL 10, 08:18 PM
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A well-conceived and well-written (and properly enforced) "red flag" law is due process. [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-10-2022).]
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Wichita
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JUL 10, 08:42 PM
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Was there a red flag?
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olejoedad
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JUL 10, 10:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
A well-conceived and well-written (and properly enforced) "red flag" law is due process.
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We haven't seen that yet.
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