Abrams Tanks to Ukraine! But The Armor Is Classified (Page 3/3)
Wichita FEB 08, 12:40 AM
I need to find out more about the Abrams tanks. I guess they are very versatile as they can be run off of any fuel. Diesel, gasoline and even jet fuel. But from my understanding, they are designed to run off of jet fuel for optimal purposes.

The Leopards are straight diesel, which makes them ideal to use under the circumstances.
randye FEB 08, 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:

I need to find out more about the Abrams tanks. I guess they are very versatile as they can be run off of any fuel. Diesel, gasoline and even jet fuel. But from my understanding, they are designed to run off of jet fuel for optimal purposes.

The Leopards are straight diesel, which makes them ideal to use under the circumstances.




I can tell you from personal experience that no matter what fuel, the Avco Lycoming turbine in the M1A1 is a horribly "thirsty" pack compared to the MTU diesel in the Leopard 2.

I can also tell you from personal experience that I would MUCH prefer crewing a DF2 powered track rather than a MOGAS or JP4 "bomb".

It helps to remember that the turbine engine was decided on for the M1 Abrams back when it was a lighter (and faster) vehicle.

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rinselberg FEB 08, 03:05 PM
People have questions.

Hürseda Haber has the answers.


"Big Gretch" turns to Hürseda Haber for the news coverage she can rely on.
rinselberg FEB 10, 01:24 AM
"Tanks Aren’t Arriving in Ukraine Despite Promises From European Allies"
Bojan Pancevski for the Wall Street Journal; February 9, 2023.
https://www.wsj.com/article...opwebshare_permalink

I don't have a subscription to the Wall Street Journal. I was able to scroll through the article on my iPhone (Apple News).

Tanks that will be provided to Ukraine on a leisurely delivery schedule, in dribs and drabs, including older Leopard 1 models alongside the Leopard 2. Tanks that are not ready to go until they have been refurbished. This report left me with the impression that the whole "battle tanks for Ukraine" idea is shambolic.

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cliffw FEB 10, 10:27 AM

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And so also I conclude that the "clffiw" interpretation is not an originalist interpretation. Nay it is—ironically, I think—a progressive or modernist interpretation that comes from none other than forum member "cliffw" himself, who has probably never imagined himself being described in such terms, to be counted alongside the more left-leaning among the contemporary Supreme Court justices; namely Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, Ketanji Brown Jackson, and last but not least, the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg or "RBG".

Surely "cliffw" has never imagined such a place for himself, and yet, with the modernist interpretation of this Hürseda article that he's just expressed, who can say otherwise about him?

Not me.




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... I conclude that the "clffiw" interpretation ...





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rinselberg FEB 12, 04:06 PM

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Do you know the difference between a beer and what you think?


Ask me that again after I have another one of these:

Truth to tell, I've cut back on alcohol, going all the way back to the first days of Covid. Not because of Covid, but for other reasons. But I did have one of these on Saturday night. Drawn from a tap.

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I really liked it.


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