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BingB
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FEB 18, 12:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Democrats have literally ADORED Russia for the past 50+ years. From Hanoi Jane to Bernie Sanders honeymooning in the 80s, to Jen Psaki getting custom sickle and hammer gear... they only stopped their love affair with Communist Russia because they think Putin likes Trump.
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This release did not happen 50 years ago. We are dealing with what is happening today. So what is your point?
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BingB
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FEB 18, 12:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Why does it automatically have to be the U.S.'s problem?
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Well if I remember the Republicans' comments from when Putin annexed Crimea while Obama was in office it would be the end of the world if the United sates appeared weak on the world stage. It would open the floodgates for tyrannical leaders all across the globe to act aggressively.
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rinselberg
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FEB 18, 03:07 PM
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| quote | The data [shows] that total European aid has long overtaken U.S. aid—not only in terms of commitments, but also in terms of specific aid allocations sent to Ukraine. In addition, the approval of the EU's Ukraine Support Facility guarantees further financial assistance.
However, the gap between EU commitments and allocations remains very large (€144 billion committed vs. €77 billion allocated). To fully replace U.S. military assistance in 2024, Europe would have to double its current level and pace of arms assistance. These are results from the latest Ukraine Support Tracker update, which now covers aid through January 15, 2024. |
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Ukraine Support Tracker; updated through February 16, 2024.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/top...ine-support-tracker/
The Ukraine Support Tracker is sponsored by Germany's Kiel Institute for the World Economy.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/ins...-the-kiel-institute/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-18-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 18, 03:08 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
This release did not happen 50 years ago. We are dealing with what is happening today. So what is your point?
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Well if I remember the Republicans' comments from when Putin annexed Crimea while Obama was in office it would be the end of the world if the United sates appeared weak on the world stage. It would open the floodgates for tyrannical leaders all across the globe to act aggressively. |
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Yeah, it's funny isn't it. I noticed the same thing... Russia seems to only attack when we the U.S. has weak presidents. The main point I was trying to make though, is that Europe needs to be footing the bill here.
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rinselberg
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FEB 18, 03:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Yeah, it's funny isn't it. I noticed the same thing... Russia seems to only attack when we the U.S. has weak presidents. The main point I was trying to make though, is that Europe needs to be footing the bill here. |
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The United States has the same stake in Ukraine as all the other NATO and EU countries.
It's just as important to the United States as it is to any of the 27 nations of the European Union.
To say otherwise is to fall in line with Putin and Russia's agenda, in which the United States devolves from a global power, downwards to the level of just a regional power like Russia.
Is that really what you want?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 02-18-2024).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 18, 03:31 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The United States has the same stake in Ukraine as all the other NATO and EU countries.
It's just as important to the United States as it is to any of the 27 nations of the European Union.
To say otherwise is to fall in line with Putin and Russia's agenda, in which the United States devolves from a global power, downwards to the level of just a regional power like Russia.
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Here's what I want.
I want NATO, EU, and the UN to all start footing the bill for this war. I want them to go all out and take back all the original land that belonged to Ukraine, including Crimea. I want Putin to get ousted, and I want Russia to elect a "President" in a democratically run country. I want Russia to become a capitalist country, and slowly become an ally, like Europe, et-all, and not constantly try to relive their communist past.
The United States has 35 trillion dollars in debt. We now pay more in debt interest (as of last week), than everything else on our budget combined. We are effectively at the point where we're going to literally fail / collapse in 19 years. If we had almost no debt, or we had our debt under control... I'd say, no problem. But at this point, we can no longer continue to be the one that funds everything in the world. Yes, I know there are links that show Europe has footed the bill by 40%. Remember, we went over that and it doesn't consider the FULL 113 billion dollars we've given to Ukraine in everything from straight cash, food, weapons, etc. GO back like 10 pages on here... we already hashed this out. We've given the overwhelming vast majority of the money to Ukraine. We need to stop, and this needs to be Europe's fight at this point because we simply CANNOT afford it. I mean that. We need to cut our budget in half... slash literally everything... otherwise this country will go bankrupt, which means it collapses. Part of me believes that's actually the intent.
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BingB
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FEB 19, 08:37 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Yeah, it's funny isn't it. I noticed the same thing... Russia seems to only attack when we the U.S. has weak presidents. |
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They never attacked the US while Biden or Obama was president, but they did execute a cyber attack against us when Trump was in office.
Based on Trumps responce to that it is pretty clear that the entire country of Ukraine would be under Russian control right now if Trump was President.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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FEB 19, 09:09 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
They never attacked the US while Biden or Obama was president, but they did execute a cyber attack against us when Trump was in office.
Based on Trumps responce to that it is pretty clear that the entire country of Ukraine would be under Russian control right now if Trump was President.
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This is the absolute dumbest, most ill-informed, completely asinine comment I've ever... EVER, read on Pennocks. What you say is so utterly far from the truth, not even a misrepresentation of truth... but just so completely... COMPLETELY incorrect, that I can't even begin. You have me almost at the point where I'd go to jail and divulge classified information just to disprove how ****ing retarded this comment is (but I won't because I took an oath). Like... I don't even know where you get this **** from. It is so completely absurd and retarded, that I don't even know where to start. I almost need to do a Vulcan mind-meld to share with you how misinformed you are... how grossly misinformed you are.
Russia, China, Iran... they attack us almost daily. At any given time, they're in dozens of our critical infrastructure environments. I worked in offensive cyber through Obama's entire second term, all of Trump's first term, and the first year of Biden's presidency. Obama and Trump were hard on our adversaries... Biden... let me just say, there's a reason why I quit. Maybe I needed to give him more time, but after Afghanistan, I was done. But with Obama and Trump, they were both on our enemies in cyber day-1. Trump was RUTHLESS... I worked more hours in the four years I worked for Trump than all of my 5 years with Obama. To sit there and say Trump did nothing... it's not only completely, and utterly incorrect, it's actually insulting.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 02-19-2024).]
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cliffw
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FEB 19, 09:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Typical New York Times reporting.
You need better news intelligence. |
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Are there any particular sources of "news intelligence" that you would like to highlight?
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One should not have particular or usual sources of "news intelligence".
One needs a well rounded diet. Also, one needs to evaluate the "taste".
| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Typical New York Times reporting.
The United States has informed Congress ...
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BingB
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FEB 19, 10:25 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
To sit there and say Trump did nothing... it's not only completely, and utterly incorrect, it's actually insulting.
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If you were really in intelligence, then how did you feel about Trump taking Putins word over yours?
Were you insulted that your Commander in Chief trusted the President of Russia more than you?
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