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randye
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MAY 25, 08:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Neither of these are proving your point.
The vast majority of vehicle deaths are caused by DUIs and teens. Additionally, there are a lot of restrictions on younger people, including significantly higher insurance premiums... so if I wouldn't have a hard time reconciling this.
As for the voting, definitely doesn't work in your favor here either... I voted Democrat when I was 18 because I didn't know any better... as did most of my friends as well back then.
I'm not saying I am all for it, simply saying that it doesn't sound like a bad idea to me. But I question whether or not it would make a difference... and if it conceivably wouldn't make a difference at all, then it doesn't make sense as a law.
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You missed my point Todd.
If you believe that 21 years of age is a good rationale for an age restriction on buying and owning a firearm then that same rationale is obviously good for all the other things I noted.
That is precisely why I asked you to "reconcile" those things with your "approval" of the "21" bill, (a legislation which I believe is nonsense).
Beyond this arbitrary 21 age limit issue, Leftists LOVE to immediately try to capitalize on a tragedy for their own political gain and the introduction of legislation like that within mere hours after a tragedy is low, crass and despicable and shows them for just what they are.
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rinselberg
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MAY 25, 08:05 PM
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| quote | ]B]Originally posted by williegoat:[/B]
In order to see how STUPID and USELESS gun control laws are, one need look no farther than Mexico.
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I think there are many other differences between Mexico and the United States that sweep this williegoat remark to the side, like the celebrated Los Angeles Rams DT Aaron Donald muscling aside an opposing team's pass blocker (or two) on his way to sacking the opposing team's QB.
I haven't reviewed the Age21 Act at any length, but at least, from my initial and small engagement with it, it struck me as possibly a good law for Congress and the President to impose on all 50 states.
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williegoat
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MAY 25, 08:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I think there are many other differences between Mexico and the United States that sweep this williegoat remark to the side, like the celebrated Los Angeles Rams DT Aaron Donald muscling aside an opposing team's pass blocker (or two) on his way to sacking the opposing team's QB.
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In another recent thread, I posted the following picture, explaining that I had spent plenty of time there since the 1970's. Here is a story from a couple of years ago about that town: https://www.forensicmag.com...ass-Grave-in-Sonora/
Puerto Penasco is considered relatively safe, some call it "Arizona's beach". I have been in a lot worse places in Sinaloa.
Some prefer to live a sheltered life and are perfectly happy being spoon fed. To each, his own.[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 05-25-2022).]
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rinselberg
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MAY 25, 09:01 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
In another recent thread, I posted the following picture, explaining that I had spent plenty of time there since the 1970's. Here is a story from a couple of years ago about that town:
https://www.forensicmag.com...ass-Grave-in-Sonora/
Puerto Penasco is considered relatively safe, some call it "Arizona's beach". I have been in a lot worse places in Sinaloa.
Some prefer to live a sheltered life and are perfectly happy being spoon fed. To each, his own. |
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I scrolled through that (about Puerto Peñasco) and it doesn't cause me to think that the Age21 Act that I've been talking about in this thread is not a good idea, for the (50) United States.
A long time ago, another forum member, not active at any recent time, was talking about the fact that the atmosphere on Mars includes a certain amount of carbon dioxide—I don't know what that percentage or fraction would be, offhand. He was saying that Mars has carbon dioxide in its atmosphere and Mars is very cold, compared to the Earth, and so, there cannot be any science behind the idea that human-attributed carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions are causing global warming on Earth.
"Think about it."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-25-2022).]
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williegoat
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MAY 25, 09:21 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I scrolled through that (about Puerto Peñasco) and it doesn't cause me to think that the Age21 Act that I've been talking about in this thread is not a good idea, for the (50) United States.
A long time ago, another forum member, not active at any recent time, was talking about the fact that the atmosphere on Mars includes a certain amount of carbon dioxide—I don't know what that percentage or fraction would be, offhand. He was saying that Mars has carbon dioxide in its atmosphere and Mars is very cold, compared to the Earth, and so, there cannot be any science behind the idea that human-attributed carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions are causing global warming on Earth.
"Think about it."
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Of course not.
However, to those who are paying attention, it makes two points:
1) Useful gun control is that which facilitates accurate delivery of the projectile.
2) The idea that the USA is unique or even remarkable with regard to any kind of murder is patently naive.
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blackrams
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MAY 25, 09:57 PM
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This is really all I have to say. But, I assure you, I mean it.
Rams
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rinselberg
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MAY 25, 09:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Of course not. However, to those who are paying attention, it makes two points:
1) Useful gun control is that which facilitates accurate delivery of the projectile.
2) The idea that the USA is unique or even remarkable with regard to any kind of murder is patently naive. |
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Gun control safety. "Get with the program."
I tend to think that there is something uniquely "U.S." about these atrocities like the one at the Buffalo supermarket, and this latest one in Texas. Atrocities committed by a person, almost always a male, and a man in their late teens or very early 20s (more often than not), who is well armed with an AR-15 or similar long gun (albeit not fully automatic) that in many such cases the perp was able to acquire legally, unhindered by any need to find such a weapon outside of a fully legal firearms purchase by the perp himself.
It's not that it doesn't ever happen outside of the U.S. I think it happens considerably more often somewhere in the U.S. than in any other nation or terrritory on Earth. That's what's unique (IMO) about the U.S., in this regard.
But even if that isn't accurate, in terms of precision math and statistics, factoring in all the other logical parameters such as the "per capita" or national population counts, I still feel like the Age21 Act and some of the other proposed changes to the national firearms laws are probably very much in order.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 05-25-2022).]
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2.5
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MAY 25, 10:19 PM
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It's well past time to be addressing the elephant in the room... [b]far too easy access to firearms in the US.
No, I'm not suggesting that your gun(s) be taken away... but damn, at least have the rules and regulations tightened up in regards to who can legally purchase them.
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Ask yourself a few questions.
Do criminals follow laws?
Is murder against the law?
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Patrick
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MAY 25, 10:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
Ask yourself a few questions.
Do criminals follow laws?
Is murder against the law?
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I'll ask you a question. What's your point?[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 05-25-2022).]
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williegoat
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MAY 25, 10:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Gun control safety. "Get with the program."
I tend to think that there is something uniquely "U.S." about these atrocities like the one at the Buffalo supermarket, and this latest one in Texas. Atrocities committed by a person, almost always a male, and a man in their late teens or very early 20s (more often than not), who is well armed with an AR-15 or similar long gun (albeit not fully automatic) that in many such cases the perp was able to acquire legally, unhindered by any need to find such a weapon outside of a fully legal firearms purchase by the perp himself.
It's not that it doesn't ever happen outside of the U.S. I think it happens considerably more often somewhere in the U.S. than in any other nation or terrritory on Earth. That's what's unique (IMO) about the U.S., in this regard.
But even if that isn't accurate, in terms of precision math and statistics, factoring in all the other logical parameters such as the "per capita" or national population counts, I still feel like the Age21 Act and some of the other proposed changes to the national firearms laws are probably very much in order.
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So your defense is to ignore the facts, the statistics that I posted above, from multiple sources, imagine an alternate reality, then propose a solution for a non existent scenario. Folks, this is why we cannot solve the problem.
We must understand the problem in order to implement a solution.
Oh, and gun safety means hitting your target and nothing else.
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