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JUL 10, 11:23 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
The red flag laws didn't work for Nikolas [Cruz] when the law was called to the place he was staying because he was a threat. They did nothing and he went on to kill 17 people. Don't blame local authority this was federal. We don't need new laws we need the feds to do [their] jobs. |
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I would like to enter this into the record:
| quote | After Parkland, the Florida Legislature passed the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, which made schools safer, expanded mental health supports for students, restricted gun purchases to people over 21 years old and prohibited bump-fire stocks. Florida lawmakers have revisited the subject every year since 2018.
Though Florida has been spared of another mass school shooting, the state’s schools are still blighted by gun violence. Since the Parkland massacre, the Center for Defense and Homeland Security has documented over 30 school shootings in Florida. |
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Carissa Allen for NPR; June 13, 2022.
https://www.wuft.org/news/2...r-our-lives-protest/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-10-2022).]
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randye
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JUL 11, 12:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
The red flag laws didn't work for Nikolas cruz when the law was called to the place he was staying because he was a threat. They did nothing and he went on to kill 17 people. Don't blame local authority this was federal. We don't need new laws we need the feds to do there jobs.
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It doesn't matter if it is city, county, state or federal, a Leftist sees any and every failure of government as a clear mandate for even more government.
Leftists gotta Leftist
....because it's a mental disease
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MidEngineManiac
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JUL 11, 03:03 AM
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Meh....one side is the same as the other.
Ya got the leftist calling for more and more government to control you and redistribute what's yours.
Ya got the rightist calling for more and more jackboot filth to stomp your head and shoot you full of holes for whatever they want, mostly just because they can.
Same product, different label. Just re-branding the same can of bull-kaka.
I'm calling for putting both in an open desert, let them fight it out, and execute any survivors.
Then the rest of us can go for a coffee in peace and quiet.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 07-11-2022).]
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JUL 11, 04:56 AM
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This should find favor with MEM, considering what he just said.
A political supporter and a political opponent of Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro are both dead after exchanging gunfire at the opposition figure's birthday party. It appears to be nothing more than political differences being taken to the "max".
Reported by various media venues including the New York Post.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-11-2022).]
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JUL 11, 09:17 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
This should find favor with MEM, considering what he just said.
A political supporter and a political opponent of Brazil's president Jair Bolsonaro are both dead after exchanging gunfire at the opposition figure's birthday party. It appears to be nothing more than political differences being taken to the "max".
Reported by various media venues including the New York Post.
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Bunch o' troublemakers!
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JUL 11, 04:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
A well-conceived and well-written (and properly enforced) "red flag" law is due process.
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How so ?
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rinselberg
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JUL 11, 05:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
How so? |
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How not?
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Hudini
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JUL 11, 06:31 PM
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Because you are innocent until proven guilty. Red flag laws are guilty until proven innocent. It's not how our system works.
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MidEngineManiac
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JUL 11, 06:36 PM
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rinselberg
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JUL 11, 09:17 PM
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 nce known as the "gunshine state" because of an historically anything-goes attitude towards firearms, Florida's recently enacted "red flag" law is a model of due process.
| quote | As a national debate rages over gun laws after last month’s mass shooting at a Texas elementary school, proponents of “red-flag” policies point to a Florida law as a model for states seeking to strip deadly weapons from people who could cause harm.
The Florida law, which allows authorities to take guns from people found to pose a “significant danger” to themselves or others, has drawn pushback from Second Amendment advocates and some law-enforcement officials.
But supporters say the law — used thousands of times since the Republican-controlled Legislature approved it in 2018 — has saved an untold number of lives.
“There’s no question that it has prevented harm. No doubt in my mind,” Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri told The News Service of Florida.
The measure allows law-enforcement officials to seek “risk-protection” orders from judges, who must consider a number of factors — such as recent acts of violence or threats of violence — before granting the requests. The orders can last up to 12 months, and officials are permitted to seek a single extension of up to another year.
Lawmakers included the red-flag measure in a sweeping school-safety law passed after a 2018 mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland that killed 14 students and three faculty members.
In Pinellas County, Gualtieri has a special unit dedicated to processing risk-protection order requests for the sheriff’s office and municipal police departments. Pinellas has had about 1,100 petitions for the orders — the second-highest number in the state.
The orders have thwarted shootings, “active-assailant events” and domestic violence, said Gualtieri, who chairs a school-safety commission created by the Legislature after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting. . . . |
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The report continues for about the same many additional words as the words that I just duplicated.
"Florida's 'red-flag' law used as model in gun control debates"
News Service of Florida, in Orlando Weekly; June 6, 2022.
https://www.orlandoweekly.c...rol-debates-31755871[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-12-2022).]
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