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rinselberg
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JAN 06, 09:16 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
What,  , think how they [Biden administration Covid response team] tell us to [think?]
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That's a nothing-burger kind of remark.
When Trump said early on in the pandemic "Soon, Covid will just go away on its own," or words to that effect—which he said not just once, but on a number of occasions—that was Trump telling the national audience how he wanted people to think about Covid.
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander." Especially when "the shoe is on the other foot."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-06-2024).]
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BingB
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JAN 08, 01:36 PM
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Donald Trump intentionally lied to American citizens about the threat of Covid because he was more worried about the economy than people dying of Covid.
Joe Biden wanted people to wear masks and get vaccinated to protect them from Covid.
So which one is more evil?[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 01-08-2024).]
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rinselberg
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JAN 08, 06:21 PM
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Trump slipped an outright whopper into his strange rant about "magnets" and "John Deere" at a campaign rally on Friday (January 5) in Mason City, Iowa.
First, the rant:
| quote | I could tell you about aircraft carriers, where they use electric catapults. They couldn’t go to the steam, which works better for about 1/100th the price, you know? The electric catapult, you know that story? I could tell you about the elevators on a tremendous carrier, the Gerald Ford, and they decided not to use hydraulic like the John Deere tractor, they decided to use magnets, “we’re gonna use magnets!” to lift up the elevators with seven planes. We need them fast, these massive elevators. They used magnets, they wanted to try it for the first time. This was a ship that was supposed to cost 2.5 billion, it cost 19 billion and didn’t work, and still doesn’t work right.
They had a $900 million cost over on these stupid electric catapults that didn’t work. They had almost a billion dollar cost over on the magnetic elevators. Think of it, magnets. Now all I know about magnets is this, give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that’s the end of the magnets. Why didn’t they use John Deere? Why didn’t they bring in the John Deere people? Do you like John Deere? I like John Deere. |
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Now, the whopper:
| quote | | This was a ship that was supposed to cost 2.5 billion, it cost 19 billion and didn’t work, and still doesn’t work right. |
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It is nonsense to say—à la Donald Trump—that the price tag for the CVN-21 Class nuclear powered aircraft carrier "Gerald R. Ford"—commissioned on July 22, 2017—ballooned to $19 billion from an original estimate of just $2.5 billion.
As the first of a new class of aircraft carriers, costing the Gerald R. Ford included a lot of R&D and non-recurring engineering costs that are not part of the price tag for every subsequent CVN-21 Class carrier to follow, after the Gerald R. Ford.
Even from the "get-go" at the end of 2005, the Navy had pegged the cost of the Gerald R. Ford as almost $14 billion. It was never just $2.5 billion, as Trump ad-libbed during his strange rant in Iowa.
I can't say that this is a "turning point in American Politics," but I thought this thread would be a good place to indulge myself in this way.
"Costing the CVN-21: A DID Primer"
Defense Industry Daily; December 19, 2005.
https://web.archive.org/web...did-primer/index.php
And for good measure...
"Donald Trump’s Latest ‘Relentlessly Stupid' Ramble Attracts One Hell Of A Fact Check"
| quote | | Donald Trump’s weird campaign rally tangent about magnets attracted mockery on social media. |
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Lee Moran for HuffPost; January 8, 2024.
https://www.huffpost.com/en...a3dbe4b0bfe5ff63def2[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 01-08-2024).]
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