Laws can only do so much (Page 6/6)
MidEngineManiac JUL 13, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The exact implementation of any particular red flag law could be debatable, but the concept itself... who's really against it?

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HUH ????? WTF ?????

Comrade, the USSR is dead, and was in Europe. This is a FREE continent. We dont go after what somebody MIGHT do...

What's next by that logic ? You cant own a car because you MIGHT drive drunk and cause a major crash ?

Oh, oh, oh....better yet. You cant own a penis because you MIGHT rape some girl. RED FLAG, chop it off !!! (should suit you progressives just fine, right ?)

[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 07-13-2022).]

rinselberg JUL 13, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

HUH ????? WTF ?????

Comrade, the USSR is dead, and was in Europe. This is a FREE continent. We dont go after what somebody MIGHT do...

What's next by that logic ? You cant own a car because you MIGHT drive drunk and cause a major crash ?

Oh, oh, oh....better yet. You cant own a penis because you MIGHT rape some girl. RED FLAG, chop it off !!! (should suit you progressives just fine, right ?)



MEM don't understand how a "red flag" law is written and enforced.


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The measure allows law-enforcement officials to seek “risk-protection” orders from judges, who must consider a number of factors — such as recent acts of violence or threats of violence — before granting the requests. The orders can last up to 12 months, and officials are permitted to seek a single extension of up to another year.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/000268.html#p39


Let's have an example. MEM"s closest neighbor has developed a new habit of standing on his front porch and shouting "I'm going to kill myself." Would (?) MEM say "Well, it's his right."

Or would MEM say "Wow. He's unstable. I want the police to know about this. I want the police to come out here, maybe with someone else who can advise them, and check on my neighbor. If he has guns, I think the police should confiscate his guns, at least temporarily, because even though he's talking about killing himself, he might change his mind and decide to try and kill me. He might be thinking about the old 'homicide suicide' combo. He might be thinking about 'suicide by cop', which he plans to set up by first trying to kill me. Or pointing a gun at me. I think they should 'red flag' this guy."

Or does MEM say "I'll just take care of this myself."

[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-13-2022).]

olejoedad JUL 13, 06:58 PM
In this country, we have the right to confront our accusers in a court of law.

We are also presumed innocent until proven guilty by a jury of our peers.

Those two ideas protect a citizen of this country from losing their rights.
Those rights are not granted by our government, or Constitution; they are ours by birthright.
Our Constitution limits the power of government, not the rights of the he citizenry.

Both of those basic tenants of law are ignored in the red flag process.
As to your questions and suppositions about MEM's actions......I can barely wait to see his reply!
MidEngineManiac JUL 13, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:


MEM don't understand how a "red flag" law is written and enforced.

[QUOTE]The measure allows law-enforcement officials to seek “risk-protection” orders from judges, who must consider a number of factors — such as recent acts of violence or threats of violence — before granting the requests. The orders can last up to 12 months, and officials are permitted to seek a single extension of up to another year.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...HTML/000268.html#p39


Let's have an example. MEM"s closest neighbor has developed a new habit of standing on his front porch and shouting "I'm going to kill myself." Would (?) MEM say "Well, it's his right."

Or would MEM say "Wow. He's unstable. I want the police to know about this. I want the police to come out here, maybe with someone else who can advise them, and check on my neighbor. If he has guns, I think the police should confiscate his guns, at least temporarily, because even though he's talking about killing himself, he might change his mind and decide to try and kill me. He might be thinking about the old 'homicide suicide' combo. He might be thinking about 'suicide by cop', which he plans to set up by first trying to kill me. Or pointing a gun at me. I think they should 'red flag' this guy."

Or does MEM say "I'll just take care of this myself."

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MEM says "hurry the **** you and do it so you stop irritating me"
olejoedad JUL 13, 07:10 PM
williegoat JUL 13, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Let's have an example. MEM"s closest neighbor has developed a new habit of standing on his front porch and shouting "I'm going to kill myself." Would (?) MEM say "Well, it's his right."

Or would MEM say "Wow. He's unstable"?


No, MEM would grab a case of Molson, a bucket of poutine and a lawn chair; and start pelting the guy with BB's.
MidEngineManiac JUL 13, 11:12 PM


I dunno. For a festive event like that, I'm thinking Red Cap Ale and red paintballs might be more appropriate.
2.5 JUL 18, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

You feel constrained or confined, like a caged animal. But this cage that you are trapped within in is not created by laws.

There's comfort in knowing how totally insignificant you are in the eyes of the world that surrounds you. Aside from the very few people that you actually affect, and are affected by in the most direct kinds of ways. The world at large doesn't even know you exist. It certainly doesn't concern itself with your thoughts or feelings or ideas or wishes.

The comfort is that the world around you can be equally insignificant in your eyes.

Look within.

Embrace your inner rando.







The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing