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Patrick
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MAR 12, 10:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
It appears some want to take my right to defend myself and my family/friends away. Come and try.
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Seems to me you're reading something into this thread that isn't there.  Unless you're admitting to being mentally unstable, no one here has been suggesting that you be restricted from possessing firearms.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 03-12-2024).]
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blackrams
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MAR 13, 08:37 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
Seems to me you're reading something into this thread that isn't there. Unless you're admitting to being mentally unstable, no one here has been suggesting that you be restricted from possessing firearms.
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All it takes would be an accusation and an activist "WOKE" judge based on what's being proposed.
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Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. . 
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.
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cliffw
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MAR 13, 09:14 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
Thanks for making the car comparison. It proves my point about how we need licensing and registration for guns the same way we do with cars. |
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“A well-mobile populace, being necessary to the freedom of assembly in a free State, the right of the people to keep and own cars, shall not be infringed.”
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
"Deaths" are not the only element of gun violence. For every death there are multiple people shot who do not die. For every shooting there are multiple gun crimes where the weapon is never discharged. There are literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of gun crimes committed where no one gets killed. In 2022 there were about 150,000 assaults with firearms and about 40,000 armed robberies. |
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How old are you ? I am 64 and, I have never experienced your so called "gun violence". I know of no one who has.
Can it happen ? Yes. Should we burden every American with gun control ? No !
| quote | Originally posted by BingB:
The United States has by far the highest rate of gun violence among industrialized countries. The fact that you do not consider that a problem is sad. |
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Fear is living in your mind.[This message has been edited by cliffw (edited 03-13-2024).]
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maryjane
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MAR 13, 09:19 AM
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One of the problems I've seen is the confiscation of fire arms from a household in which someone (elderly man with dementia/Alzheimer's) has been identified as a risk because of mental problems. In some, and maybe most cases, it may be warranted but I have seen instances where every firearm in the household gets taken and they had been passed down in the family for generations and the family was not afforded the opportunity to just move the firearms to some other family household. In one case I know of, an M1 carbine, a 45-70 1886 lever action Winchester and a very old 8 ga double barrel shotgun. The sheriff's dept took them and the family was never able to get them back even after the old man died.
What happened to them, I do not know, but I suspect, someone somewhere in the govt 'system' now owns some heritage long guns worth thousands of dollars that should have been passed down to the younger generation in that family..[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 03-13-2024).]
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williegoat
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MAR 13, 10:12 AM
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Even ignoring the fact that these laws are a clear violation of both the second and forth amendments, there are better ways to deal with these problems.
Also, one member here has stated that my objection to these laws is proof that I am mentally ill and should not be allowed to own firearms. That is the result of "progressive" dogma. There is no way to reason with such people.
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rinselberg
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MAR 13, 10:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Even ignoring the fact that these laws are a clear violation of both the Second and Fourth Amendments, there are better ways to deal with these problems. |
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Are there better ways?
I am skeptical that the Red Flag concept is inherently a violation of either the Second or Fourth Amendment, because the process starts with a judge who makes an initial evaluation, based on a sworn affidavit under penalty of perjury from a complainant. There is additional "due process" that is required to change the Red Flag restrictions on someone's possession or purchase of firearms from an emergency duration of somewhere between 7 and 21 days, to a longer (full year) or indefinite duration.
As to the case that maryjane just described, the obvious questions are where it happened and how it happened. Texas is not one of the 21 states that "Everytown" identifies as a Red Flag state.
An obvious argument in favor of the Everytown for Gun Safety-endorsed Red Flag model is that it provides a legislative framework to standardize the process across all local jurisdictions in Texas or another state, and creates at least the possibility of standardized institutional or legislative safeguards against misconceived or corrupt uses of Red Flag—like the case that maryjane just described.
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williegoat
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MAR 13, 11:26 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Are there better ways?
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
and again, in case you missed it:
I have been saying it here for years, every time one of these incidents comes up.
Help these people before it becomes necessary to involve law enforcement. All that does is make things worse. Get the family, church or schools involved. Consult mental health professionals. Try being compassionate instead of confrontational. Be the caring person you pretend to be. Don't fake it, make it.
The left sees every tragedy as an opportunity to promote their agenda. Prevent the tragedy, instead. It is not as sensational, but it will advance civilization.
Stop being progressive and woke. Wake up and promote actual progress.
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Patrick
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MAR 13, 02:56 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
All it takes would be an accusation and an activist "WOKE" judge based on what's being proposed.
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| quote | Originally posted by cliffw:
Fear is living in your mind.
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Patrick
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MAR 13, 03:03 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Also, one member here has stated that my objection to these laws is proof that I am mentally ill and should not be allowed to own firearms.
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Don't make us have to go through all these posts again. Who stated this? Better yet, please supply a quote.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 03-13-2024).]
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Patrick
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MAR 13, 03:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
The sheriff's dept took them and the family was never able to get them back even after the old man died.
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That's definitely not the optimal method of dealing with this issue.
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