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blackrams
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JAN 20, 09:21 PM
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Russia’s military is again on the move, adding pressure on Ukraine as invasion fears grow
https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...ASYONx?ocid=msedgntp
You're welcome to read the attached link but, if Russia/Putin wants Ukraine, it's his for the taking. Especially with the leadership in the Oval Office we currently have.
It's a small country and they have overwhelming force. It really is, no contest.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-20-2022).]
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sourmash
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JAN 20, 09:52 PM
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No, your narrative is false, Rams.
The same people forcing us to watch BLM and Antifa burn our country down, deface our statutes, let fake trannies rape our school children in school bathrooms and let illegals flood the border are provoking Russia.
Russia keeps asking for the USA to return to their long ago promise that NATO would not expand to their border, which puts strike missiles closer to Moscow...
...but people like Victoria (real name Nudelman) Nuland keep telling Russia to get screwed. She was hacked on a cell phone saying, "F___ the EU!".
After what they do to us here, why would you believe they aren't doing dirty in another country? Because a phony like Hannity tells you, right?
This is 1961-62 all over again. The US provoked with nukes in Georgia, the Soviets missiled up Cuba and the USA backed down. And the USSR brought the missiles home.[This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 01-20-2022).]
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blackrams
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JAN 20, 09:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
After what they do to us here, why would you believe they aren't doing dirty in another country? Because a phony like Hannity tells you, rigjt? |
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Hannity? I didn't see his name on any of the article is linked to...........
Please re-read what I posted, Russia has overwhelming force if they want to take Ukraine.
Did you even read the linked article or just jump to some conclusion?
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-20-2022).]
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sourmash
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JAN 20, 10:10 PM
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Remember how Russia defeated our Syrian rebels? Con Inc hasn't forgotten.
Our media does nothing but lie to.us. All.of it to some degree. They're paid to. Even Tucker lies about China and Russia.
Hannity is a metaphor for Conservative Inc. Con Inc is all the same. They present them for the right to consume from. They're all the same thing no matter who's name.
Remember the constant lies about how Russia invaded Crimea? False. Our media does nothing but lie to us. Crimea voted to rejoin as a Russian protectorate. It's historical.
The people in DC who hate us want to inject strife against Russia. They promised long ago not to expand NATO Eastward.
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blackrams
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JAN 20, 10:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
Remember how Russia defeated our Syrian rebels? Con Inc hasn't forgotten.
Our media does nothing but lie to.us. All.of it to some degree. They're paid to. Even Tucker lies about China and Russia.
Hannity is a metaphor for Conservative Inc. Con Inc is all the same. They present them for the right to consume from. They're all the same thing no matter who's name.
Remember the constant lies about how Russia invaded Crimea? False. Our media does nothing but lie to us. Crimea voted to rejoin as a Russian protectorate. It's historical.
The people in DC who hate us want to inject strife against Russia. They promised long ago not to expand NATO Eastward. |
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Well, what I posted about had nothing to do with the issues of the past you are bringing up. My comments were strictly addressing the military might Russia has versus Ukraine and the supposed assistance President Biden and NATO are offering. With the reported military might they have massed, it won't take very long to overcome any resistance. I didn't begin to address the issues you want to bring into the discussion so, don't point any fingers at me. I didn't reference Hannity or any of the other commentators you want to bring ito the discussion.
Rams
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sourmash
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JAN 20, 10:50 PM
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I know you didn't bring him up. Just was inquiring to see if this is a talking head position.
Enh. I'm worked up for nothing. Doesn't matter. Our bad guys are gonna start a war there and do what they do no matter what.
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maryjane
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JAN 20, 11:35 PM
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It would not matter who is in the Oval Office. If Russia wants Ukraine, they will take as little or as much as they desire and it will be over before NATO or the US and Nato can do anything about it. (The same is true regarding PRC and Taiwan)
The fly in the buttermilk no one wants to talk much about is Germany and France's significant dependence on Russia for cheap O&G, especially NG. (Natural Gas)
Nord Stream 2 pipeline from Russia under the Baltic Sea would provide additional cheap nat gas to Western Europe via their Gazprom hub at Greifswald Germany. From Germany other lines would carry product to France and other European nations.
The old Gazprom lines crossed Ukraine and there was always a bone of contention there, and Ukraine at times either charged large fees or even siphoned off Gazprom O&G product to sell as their own.
The undersea line was copleted late last year but it needs certification from Germany and so far, due to international politics, Germany has yet to certify the line.
The US wants to sell more nas to western Europe, but it is in the form of liquified natural gas (LNG) delivered via tanker. US has been pushing France and Germany to construct a modern large offshore tanker terminal to recieve US LNG as dock space is limited in france, it's dangerous to have a tanker of LNG at a large city port. (The expanding fireball from an exploding LNG tanker would encompass an area about the size of NYC)
Even if France/Germany did build the offshore terminal, it would be several years hence and the LNG from the US/Canada would still be more expensive than the NG from the Nordstream pipeline.
Germany is not completely landlocked but it is a longer trip by ship to go either around the West side of the Uk or up thru the tumultuous English Channel & offload at Germany than it is to Frances much longer coastline. About 1/2 of Germany's coastline is on the Baltic Sea, with most of the rest on the North Sea and not prominently on the Atlantic Ocean, while France has 2000 miles of Atlantic coastline, making France the more logical place for US/Canadian O&G productsto offload.
The above, is why Germany and France (especially Germany )really haven't gotten behind the US/Russia debate.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-20-2022).]
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blackrams
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JAN 21, 07:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
It would not matter who is in the Oval Office. If Russia wants Ukraine, they will take as little or as much as they desire and it will be over before NATO or the US and Nato can do anything about it. (The same is true regarding PRC and Taiwan)
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So, we're headed into another but more intense coldwar with even less support from our NATO Allies?
Rams
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maryjane
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JAN 21, 08:00 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
So, we're headed into another but more intense coldwar with even less support from our NATO Allies?
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not like the last one. just more intense only because the public has more access to news overseas now, but colder than last cold war. There won't be disposale tank companiess on the Fulda Gap or 200,000 US troops garrisoned in Germay this time. All the hardware is already built. Biggest concern is if Xi gets emboldened by what Putin does and at what Washington's response (or lack thereof) is. It's about big $$ in Europe this time and about rhetoric in the West Pacific. Not about military power and land.[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 01-21-2022).]
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blackrams
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JAN 21, 08:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by maryjane:
not like the last one. just more intense only because the public has more access to news overseas now, but colder than last cold war. There won't be disposale tank companiess on the Fulda Gap or 200,000 US troops garrisoned in Germay this time. All the hardware is already built. Biggest concern is if Xi gets emboldened by what Putin does and at what Washington's response (or lack thereof) is. It's about big $$ in Europe this time and about rhetoric in the West Pacific. Not about military power and land.
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 I tend to agree on the Russia front but, my concern with China is, how dependent we've become on China since we sent so much of our production activities and technologies to China. I don't see our influence to be nearly as great with China. Especially since China has been so involved in forming "friendships" with Central American countries.
I have serious doubts about this administration's ability to handle either situation, much less both.
Rams
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