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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 01, 02:07 PM
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Been busy, so haven't been able to participate in the love fest.
But I had to come on here and share my opinions... (I know you guys love my opinions).
Several months ago, we were talking about the fact that Russia was parking soldiers, tanks, etc... on the border with Ukraine. Certainly... the US intelligence agencies knew this as well. I'm quite sure NATO and the E.U. noticed as well... I mean... it was in the news.
Supporting Ukraine is the /kind/ of wars that the United States and allies have historically supported. Like Grenada, Kuwait, etc. Ukraine is not without it's problems... certainly it festers from a lot of the corruption that is inherent from the Russian culture for which they were once a part of
But can we just admit for a minute how everyone has totally taken advantage of Ukraine?
After the fall of the USSR... Russia parked MUCH of their weaponry in Ukraine, trying to save it from falling into the hands of some of the satellite nations that were breaking off. When Ukraine broke off, they had... what, the 3rd or 4th largest nuclear arsenal in the world? They had planes, tanks, munitions abound... they needed to help from anyone. Having become free from Communism, they wanted to join the E.U. and NATO. For basically the next 3 decades, Europe and the USA gang-raped them. Very first thing, Clinton... whom I voted for, convinced them to give up all their nukes. Some of that went back to Russia, and other countries. We took their tanks, planes, etc... and you know who we gave them to? Syria and Libya... (explain that one to me). Bush did some more nonsense... and then Obama/Biden engaged in pretty much every kind of corrupt deals you possibly could... essentially, extorting money from them personally in exchange for favoritism in trade and other deals. Then Trump comes... he's harsh on everyone. He tells Germany to get their **** together and to stop supporting Russia. Everyone laughs and says Trump is stupid. Trump also gives weapons to Ukraine... SAMs, munitions, etc. Democrats criticize him for playing with fire and upsetting Putin, yet at the same time say he's beholden to Putin (sigh...). Trump goes on offensive and lambasts every country to increase their funding to NATO, stating that we are pulling most of the weight. Everyone claims Trump is being mean, and unfriendly.
Before I get to Biden, let's talk about the E.U. and how they've been exploiting Ukraine too. Ukraine wants to join the E.U. and NATO (at various times). E.U., NATO, all the same stuff.. you can join but need to get rid of your weapons (which they did) ... great, but one more thing... you can join, but you have to improve your finances (which they did) ... great, but one more thing... you can join, but you need to be more green because you use too much coal (so they work on that). Year after year, decade after decade, the E.U. and NATO both change the goal posts, meanwhile... with the E.U., one of their largest members leaves. It's such a great organization, yet they won't let anyone join and everyone is threatening to leave.
Biden comes in... almost immediately after his inauguration, Putin begins parking soldiers on the border. No one says anything... Biden does nothing. Media doesn't cover it. Jen Psaki talks about needing a year to repair the badly damaged international relations. Every month that goes by, Putin puts more soldiers on the border... people start to get concerned. U.S. intelligence agencies are not retarded, this kind of collect is easy, they know what's going on. Biden does nothing... his SF/DC/NYC/Chicago poll testers tell his cabinet that doing anything would be super dangerous for polling, so don't do anything. Biden pulls out of Afghanistan, and runs away quickly while 13 of our soldiers are killed. Biden leaves 1000s of Americans behind, and people that have supported us against the Taliban are left behind. Because polling is so bad, Biden launches a Predator drone strike against a guy carrying water for World Vision, killing him, dozens of staff and children. No one is held accountable, least of which is Biden. Media immediately stops talking about it.
Putin moves more troops to the border, emboldened by Biden's total failure.
At any point, the United States could have encouraged NATO to move troops into Ukraine to support, or sent U.S. soldiers there as well to lead the effort and help protect Ukraine. Even the dumbest retard knows that Putin isn't going to engage and attack Ukraine with U.S. soldiers in there, or even better... U.S. and NATO soldiers in there. It's the last thing he wants ... but Biden does nothing.
More troops on the border.
Things get really bad, Putin now has 120k troops on the border, and Biden says he will not respond to a minor incursion... a slip from the collected intel he probably knew about, but allowed it to escape in his speech because he has dementia.
Putin annexes two territories from Ukraine (really, secession).
Biden goes to bed in Delaware, promises to make a speech a day and a half later
Putin says he will impose sanctions. Which really amount to nothing.
Putin does a full-scale invasion.
Biden doesn't do anything... everyone criticizes Europe for failing. Biden has no encouraging words, just more stupidness.
Germany finally gives in cause they feel bad, and they agree to some sanctions.
Biden realizes he's been outdone, and offers a free helicopter ride out of Ukraine for the president (totally tone deaf). Zelensky says no.
Biden imposes some more sanctions, but all countries stop short of not agreeing to buy oil from Russia (correct me if I'm wrong, but we are all still buying oil from Russia?).
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YES Sourmash, Putin wants to rebuild the USSR.
YES Rinse, buddy... I know about the Trump / Ukraine "deal" where he asked Ukraine to support Bill Bar's DOJ investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden.
Last 20+ years of history:
- President Bush: Georgia gets attacked by Russia... President Bush does nothing... don't even remember him saying anything. Two territories are taken from Georgia and added to Russia's alliance.
- President Obama: Crimea gets attacked by Russia... Obama does nothing... Russia claims Crimea as a Russian state.
- President Trump: Russia doesn't make a move... Trump gives weapons to Ukraine.
- President Biden: Russia takes two territories of Ukraine... and... the rest we'll see.
... and then social media? All the bull **** news sites are reusing images from 2019, posting them as today. Tons of wildly misrepresented stories. And then... don't even get me started on the #IStandWithUkraine. The only reason why every Democrat in the world now has a Ukrainian flag on their Twitter account and #IStandWithUkraine is because it's something anti-Putin, and these retards who didn't even know where Ukraine was 2 months ago, now feel a kinship with them. Their "stand" is about as useful as Michelle Obama's #BringBackOurGirls Twitter campaign... yeah Michelle? Are those your girls cause they are black? We know how that turned out. 1/3rd of them killed in a bombing, 1/3rd of them sold off, and another 1/3rd of them returned a few years later... all of them having been raped.
Anyway... annoyed, yes I am. Did I miss anything?
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rinselberg
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MAR 01, 02:28 PM
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When "Brandon" went to the Vatican in October to visit with the Pope, there was something else that happened on the side, without any publicity. He met with the representatives of the U.K., France, Germany and Italy. The "big four" of NATO's "big five." The U.S. makes "five."
They started planning the economic sanctions that they wanted to have ready for the day that Putin moved on Ukraine.
It's easy to look back and say that Biden should have done this or that, but what would have happened if the U.S. and other nations had started flowing defensive weapons into Ukraine at an accelerated pace? (I"m not even going to consider putting U.S. or NATO forces directly into Ukraine.)
Maybe Putin just moves up his timetable for moving on Ukraine. Or worse.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-01-2022).]
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williegoat
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MAR 01, 02:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Been busy,..
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... Did I miss anything? |
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Good summary, thank you.
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sourmash
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MAR 01, 03:38 PM
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The USA one world order caused every bit of this.
The Ukraine and Russia have millions of Slavic ethnic relationships. They are not separable by religious affiliations either.
They are both White countries. White people are hated by the one world order and are being dispossessed in their own lands.
The USA overthrew The Ukrainian govt and installed a hostile puppet state, hostile to Russia which started killing the ethnic Russian Ukrainians. Been going on for years. They shot down the commercial airliner, and it's suggested that they thought it was Putin returning to Russia along that path. He was in fact returning to Russia at that approx time.
The USA is 100% responsible for this. Our occupied govt dislikes those White people just as they are increasingly hostile to us.
The Crimea is historically aligned to Russia. They voted to join and were accepted by Russia. The other 2 provinces weren't for 8 years. The killing has to stop and Russia wants to restore order out of the chaos we create everywhere we go in illegal occupations of other people's lands.
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blackrams
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MAR 01, 05:10 PM
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Thinking I'll just watch this thread for a while. 
Rams 
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Jake_Dragon
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MAR 01, 05:32 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
When "Brandon" went to the Vatican in October to visit with the Pope, there was something else that happened on the side, without any publicity. He met with the representatives of the U.K., France, Germany and Italy. The "big four" of NATO's "big five." The U.S. makes "five."
They started planning the economic sanctions that they wanted to have ready for the day that Putin moved on Ukraine.
It's easy to look back and say that Biden should have done this or that, but what would have happened if the U.S. and other nations had started flowing defensive weapons into Ukraine at an accelerated pace? (I"m not even going to consider putting U.S. or NATO forces directly into Ukraine.)
Maybe Putin just moves up his timetable for moving on Ukraine. Or worse.
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and **** himself in the middle of it.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAR 01, 05:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
They are both White countries.
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...Russia wants to restore order out of the chaos we create everywhere we go... |
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Anyone else want to take this? Or do we just ignore this?
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williegoat
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MAR 01, 05:40 PM
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blackrams
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MAR 01, 05:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Anyone else want to take this? Or do we just ignore this? |
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Your turn, I've already commented in another thread where a similar remark was made.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 03-01-2022).]
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Fats
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MAR 01, 05:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Anyone else want to take this? Or do we just ignore this? |
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I'm not good with the words man, and frankly I'm tired of talking to walls (so to speak.)
I've said my peace in another thread, and I think in this thread you covered most of what I was trying to say much better than I ever could have.
It's 2022. anyone that thinks it's because of race is a CNN bot, or more retarded than I am... Which is saying a lot.
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