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olejoedad
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JUN 29, 07:39 PM
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MidEngineManiac
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JUN 29, 09:07 PM
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Wichita
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JUN 30, 12:42 AM
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MidEngineManiac
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JUN 30, 02:52 AM
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Justin Trudeau today announced he is happy to give American women full control of their bodies and welcomes them to Canada for abortions....Just as soon as they give up all control of their bodies and get vaxxed.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUN 30, 08:28 AM
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The first couple of paragraphs are so spot-on...
"In the immediate wake of the overturning of Roe v. Wade, I repeatedly came across the same meme floating around social media. It consists of a still from the famous “I’m Just a Bill” musical segment from the 1970s educational television series “Schoolhouse Rock!” In it, a personified piece of legislation, aptly named Bill, sits on the steps of the Capitol with a little boy. In the show, he is about to explain the basics of American civics to the boy through song, but in the meme, it is captioned: “Sorry, kid. There’s no song to explain this crap.”"
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"The irony is that the very people sharing this meme – the same people who paint the overturning of Roe as “undemocratic” – are patently doing so out of an ignorance of precisely the sort of basic civics that “Schoolhouse Rock!” educated children about through song and cartoon in the 1970s."
It's so true. Though I don't see him going into this at all, but if you put all your feelings and emotions and opinions aside on whether abortion is right or wrong... and you look at this PURELY from a legal definition, this was a VERY correct decision.
I absolutely have been upset by SCOTUS decisions in the past, but I ACCEPT for the most part the logic behind it. For example, the Supreme Court decision to not overturn ObamaCare... Chief Justice's comments were, "We are not here to save you from bad decisions at the voting booth." Their job is to determine *CONSTITUTIONALITY* of law.
YES, under the 4th Amendment, Roe (Norma McCorvey) had a general right to privacy for any medical procedures or concerns. This was later codified through the Privacy Act of 1974 (for which Roe v Wade was the catalyst), and later in 1996 with HIPPA. But there was absolutely nothing in the US Constitution, not the 5th Amendment, or the 14th Amendment that declared the government's authority to regulate FOR or AGAINST abortion. There was no legal standing for that ruling, but the majority-left SCOTUS believed it to be their (societal) moral obligation with which to decide that case in favor of abortion. This went against many Democrats (and Republicans) of the time, including well-known Democrat constitutionalists like Archibald Cox.
The fact is, because there was no law respecting for or against abortion, it simply goes back to the states by default. A lot of people suggest this is where it should be. Maybe... but it goes there by default since the Constitution was written, not to pass laws against the people, but to further define what the limitations of the Federal government are. Of course, with the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution, Federal law will always trump state law (unless unconstitutional).
And this is where the irony really exists with the meme he mentions... these Millennials, who haven't a f**king clue how Government works, and who think Senators are their "representatives" ... do not get that literally, it's going back to the states because for the past 50 years, the Legislative Branch of the U.S. Government chose not to pass a Federal law.
If tomorrow, a majority of Representatives, and 60 Senators agreed that abortion was legal in the first trimester... then that would be the law of the land. But why haven't they? It's because they know they can't get that many votes... EVEN when President Obama had a super-majority, literally a 60-vote majority. It's not like they didn't know this day was coming... they absolutely did, but they knew abortion was generally unpopular, and the ensuing discussion would result in people being educated, and likely less supportive of it.
Democrats absolutely HAVE to stop trying to use the courts for their ideological "progress." Democrats today simply do not respect process or institution. Democrats believe the "prevailing winds" of social-discourse should drive the narrative, every single time.
If the Democrats ACTUALLY, and I mean ACTUALLY cared about governing, and not just consolidating and keeping power, the President would have given a speech that went something like this:
"My fellow Americans... (blah blah), we need to come to a common consensus on abortion. (insert more crap) Today, I'm asking the legislative body to work in a bi-partisan fashion to define a collective "floor" of abortion rights and regulations."
It might include something like...
- Partial Birth Abortion is illegal
- The right to contraceptives shall not be infringed
- Abortion is legal in cases of considerable harm to the mother
- Abortion is legal in cases of Rape and Incest in the 1st Trimester
There are many here that would disagree with some or all of this. But I guarantee the senate would be able to get 10 GOP sensors to go across the isle. The problem is... there would be attempts to add in all kinds of stupid stuff, like investing in drag-queen children's library books, or funding for homosexual conversion therapy. I blame Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell, and maybe to some extent, McCarthy.
People need to stop being so ****ing retarded.
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Fats
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JUN 30, 01:53 PM
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They wouldn't have just lost support if they had passed a law allowing abortion nationwide. The money train would have dried up. Think of how much money they got over the years from the Pro Abortion lobby while they sat in offices and declared they were fighting to get a law passed, they just needed more money.
They had a grift going.
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2.5
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JUN 30, 05:08 PM
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The unborn babies don't have much control over their own bodies do they, they are vulnerable, mom is supposed to protect them. Not supposed to kill them.
Seems like this shouldn't have to be said.[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 06-30-2022).]
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ls3mach
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JUL 03, 08:51 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
Justin Trudeau today announced he is happy to give American women full control of their bodies and welcomes them to Canada for abortions....Just as soon as they give up all control of their bodies and get vaxxed. |
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This sentence was well played and made me giggle!
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rinselberg
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JUL 14, 06:32 AM
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President Biden recounted or referenced the story. Many said it was a story so suspiciously convenient for the abortion rights agenda that it likely wasn't true—even a fact checker-style columnist for the famously liberal Washington Post. But now it's confirmed. So says MSNBC anchor Chris Hayes in this near 7-minute broadcast segment from Wednesday, July 13.
https://www.msnbc.com/all-i...-220713-144017989511
I would post a transcript in addition to the video, but it's not yet available. But I'll post this instead:
"Arrest made in rape of Ohio girl that led to Indiana abortion and international attention"
Bethany Bruner, Monroe Trombly and Tony Cook for USA Today; July 13, 2022.
https://www.usatoday.com/st...bortion/10049383002/
Includes video report and text. The text is just long enough to do full justice to all obviously relevant aspects of the story. So if you're just not "into" Chris Hayes... "you do you." This report from USA Today is just as good and perhaps a quicker way to get the full story.
"I've been following the Jan-6 committee hearings, and I swear, it's almost like a face lift. I can't believe what I'm seeing in my mirror the last few weeks."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 07-14-2022).]
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Hudini
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JUL 14, 08:11 AM
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"We already have “proper democratic procedures” in place for all these ways of expressing the will of the people through legitimate law; it was the judicial activism of Roe that stood in the way of their exercise. If this nation’s civic literacy were better, more people would realize that, and this decision would have come as no surprise to anyone.
Maybe it’s time for “Schoolhouse Rock!” to make a comeback."
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