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82-T/A [At Work]
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SEP 10, 11:08 AM
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I definitely care about this war, simply because we're paying for it. But I'm also very frustrated... because we're paying for it, especially since most of Europe doesn't really care and are not lifting a finger at all... which just makes me all that much more angry and frustrated. Germany has given like 1/50th what we have, and the UK has given arms, but other than that, it's been entirely the United States. But don't get hung up on that...
My question is, why are Democrats so enthralled with this war? All over Twitter, it's like the most important thing in the world to them. They hang on every single bit of news like it's a sporting event. Is it because it's against Russia and they think Russia helped Trump get elected in 2016? This is a serious question.
I've never seen Democrats be so interested in ANY war at all, let alone support one... and we've had many like this... Libya, Granada, first Gulf War, etc. and the Democrats were always against it. I've just never seen anything like this before from the left, and I can think of no other reason why they're so interested in it, other than the fact that it somehow fits into some weird political narrative that they have going on.
I mean, they didn't seem to care (AT ALL) when Russia attacked Georgia, or when they invaded and took over the Crimean Peninsula. Like, not even a thought. Oh, this happened? ... hey, let's go to Starbucks...
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Fats
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SEP 10, 12:24 PM
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Democrat voters as a rule only care about what they are told to care about. Just look at our d members on here. It's just constant regurgitation of CNN talking points. There isn't an original thought among them.
Their leaders need a war to make money and to distract from their horrible policies.
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rinselberg
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SEP 10, 12:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I definitely care about this war, simply because we're paying for it. But I'm also very frustrated... because we're paying for it, especially since most of Europe doesn't really care and are not lifting a finger at all... which just makes me all that much more angry and frustrated. Germany has given like 1/50th what we have, and the UK has given arms, but other than that, it's been entirely the United States. But don't get hung up on that... |
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Which countries have absorbed the refugees that have fled from Ukraine?
It's the European countries, far more than the United States.
The U.K. and Germany are not the only European countries that have been involved in supporting Ukraine with military aid and weapons.
The European countries are at least trying not to roll over completely and just surrender to the leverage that Russia has over them in terms of Russia's oil and gas exports.
As far as the "Twitter universe", I wouldn't know, myself. I have never created a "tweet" and I only follow Twitter to the extent that it is picked up by the other news and opinion venues that I select for myself.
Are you some kind of expert on Twitter? How do know that what you are seeing about Ukraine on Twitter is so disproportionately coming from Democrats?
But beyond that, this is far and away the largest and most destructive war that's erupted in Europe since the end of World War Two.
Russia, under Putin, has turned its back on any Russian acceptance or accommodation of U.S. and European norms and values like never before. Russia had long been moving in this direction, under Putin, but with this war against Ukraine and the newly strengthened alignment between Russia and China, this is like a whole new ball game.
It's drawing in Turkey's Erdogan as an important player. It's affecting the global food situation like no previous crisis that has arisen from military or armed conflict in Europe since World War Two.
It is BIG.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-10-2022).]
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williegoat
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SEP 10, 12:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Fats:
Democrat voters as a rule only care about what they are told to care about. Just look at our d members on here. It's just constant regurgitation of CNN talking points. There isn't an original thought among them.
Their leaders need a war to make money and to distract from their horrible policies. |
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This is the way I see it.
The rank and file do as they are told and the fat cats don't do anything that doesn't line their pockets.
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Wichita
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SEP 10, 01:13 PM
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Because it is on their watch. They blindly support anything that is initiated by Democrats. Misguided or not, they support it. It's cult behavior.
Just look at the blind faith in anti-science policies or contradictions they always make. For example pro-vax under Dark Brandon, anti-vax under Trump.
Plus, Hunter needs to make good on the Ukraine investment the Biden crime family made. Probably Zelenskyy has dirt on Pedo Pete. Trump knew the Ukrainians had dirt on Hunter Biden. There is a possibility we, the American people, are being milked for billions of dollars on blackmail.
But supporting Ukraine to bog down the Russians could result in a payoff of a collapsed Russia and the end of Putin. But it is very high risk. This Biden war could result in a thermonuclear disaster, which would be an absolute shame of humanity. Biden and every Democratic that voted for him must be held responsible if that, if it happens.
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randye
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SEP 10, 08:54 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
My question is, why are Democrats so enthralled with this war?
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 [This message has been edited by randye (edited 09-10-2022).]
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Hudini
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SEP 29, 10:02 AM
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Wichita
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OCT 22, 05:14 PM
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rinselberg
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OCT 22, 08:18 PM
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"Why do Democrats care so much about the war in Ukraine?"
The Democrats that see the necessity for the U.S. and its allies to vigorously support Ukraine are part of a larger group that has a basic understanding of 20th century history and its larger international wars.
They're not "reality-challenged" to the point where they can equate what Putin and Russia are about, with this unjustified and murderous war against Ukraine, to the much smaller issue of Hunter Biden, and his arguably "cushy" job or sinecure with the Ukrainian oil and gas company Burisma, and even Joe Biden's possible involvement with that.
Putin and his backers want to move towards a world where the U.S. and Russia are on a roughly equal standing as regional powers, in terms of their military capabilities and "reach". Putin and his backers do not like the way that the U.S. maintains a global military posture, with considerable basing and deployments of U.S. military forces and capabilities beyond and even far beyond the national borders of the United States. He wants the U.S. to be more like Russia in this regard. He wants us to be more like "homebodies" in our military posture.
I can't see any good coming of that.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 10-22-2022).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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OCT 22, 09:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Why do Democrats care so much about the war in Ukraine?"
The Democrats that see the necessity for the U.S. and its allies to vigorously support Ukraine are part of a larger group that has a basic understanding of 20th century history and its larger international wars.
They're not "reality-challenged" to the point where they can equate what Putin and Russia are about, with this unjustified and murderous war against Ukraine, to the much smaller issue of Hunter Biden, and his arguably "cushy" job or sinecure with the Ukrainian oil and gas company Burisma, and even Joe Biden's possible involvement with that.
Putin and his backers want to move towards a world where the U.S. and Russia are on a roughly equal standing as regional powers, in terms of their military capabilities and "reach". Putin and his backers do not like the way that the U.S. maintains a global military posture, with considerable basing and deployments of U.S. military forces and capabilities beyond and even far beyond the national borders of the United States. He wants the U.S. to be more like Russia in this regard. He wants us to be more like "homebodies" in our military posture.
I can't see any good coming of that.
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That's not really what I'm talking about. We've been in a lot of wars, and no one seems to care or pay attention. I think this has far more to do with the fact that Democrats blame Russia for Trump winning in 2016 (it had nothing to do with it, but anyway) and because this war is against Russia, there's a built-in TDS factor...
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