Not sure how things are done in SF... (Page 1/2)
MidEngineManiac NOV 18, 01:38 PM
But here that is a VERY good way to get both a union and the Ministry of labor shoved up your azz, as well as costing yourself huge fines every-single-time you do it !

Thought Musk was smarter than that, but seems he is just another entitled slave-owner who is ooooffffeeeeennnnndddddeeeeeddddd by the staff's legal right to put the job down at the end of the work-day.

**** ya, ******* . You're too cheap to hire sufficient staff, you deserve what you get.

Here is a hint. The staff's first loyalty is themselves and their own lives, not you OR your company. Get used to it.

https://www.foxnews.com/med...work-musks-hellscape

[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 11-18-2022).]

williegoat NOV 18, 01:58 PM
I know exactly how it's done in SF. I went 'round and 'round with a USDOL investigator in SF for nine months after a driver who flat refused to go to work sued us.

She kept demanding more documentation, week by week until I had sent her a stack of papers over eight inches tall. I think she thought we would eventually fold, but we were holding all the aces. She was a dyed in the wool pea brained bureaucrat.
rinselberg NOV 18, 02:38 PM
Not to be Captain Obvious or anything, but "how things are done in SF" could mean just about anything. How many years ago was that USDOL investigation about the truck driver? That's not the city or county (it's both) of San Francisco. That's the U.S. Department of Labor.

As far as Elon Musk, I'm not even trying to get my head around that situation. I set myself up with a Twitter account recently, just because it seemed helpful in some way to my online meanderings, but I've never "tweeted" anything.

It's actually been quite some time now since I've found reason to drive to San Francisco, or drive to the BART station in Daly City and "BART" the remainder of a journey to any other destination in or close by San Francisco. The last time I did anything like that was before "Covid".
williegoat NOV 18, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

Not to be Captain Obvious or anything, but "how things are done in SF" could mean just about anything.


Even hippies with hammers.
MidEngineManiac NOV 18, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

I know exactly how it's done in SF. I went 'round and 'round with a USDOL investigator in SF for nine months after a driver who flat refused to go to work sued us.

She kept demanding more documentation, week by week until I had sent her a stack of papers over eight inches tall. I think she thought we would eventually fold, but we were holding all the aces. She was a dyed in the wool pea brained bureaucrat.



That all depends on the circumstances, at least here.

Regular scheduled shift ? YUP, that's within the companies rights if he refuses.

Call him up at 2am or on an off day, and he is well within HIS rights to tell the company to eff off, wait until Monday (or whatever)....or my "old trick" I've used a few times. "Yeh, I can come in, but I need $2,500 an hour, cash, in advance to do it since it IS my day off as per the employment contract. " Dont have to tell them to eff of, they change their minds on their own.
williegoat NOV 18, 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:


That all depends on the circumstances, at least here.

Regular scheduled shift ? YUP, that's within the companies rights if he refuses.

Call him up at 2am or on an off day, and he is well within HIS rights to tell the company to eff off, wait until Monday (or whatever)....or my "old trick" I've used a few times. "Yeh, I can come in, but I need $2,500 an hour, cash, in advance to do it since it IS my day off as per the employment contract. " Dont have to tell them to eff of, they change their minds on their own.


He was sitting in our truck, half way across the country, for a week.
MidEngineManiac NOV 18, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

He was sitting in our truck, half way across the country, for a week.



Yeh, boot da dumb-ass !!
williegoat NOV 18, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

Yeh, boot da dumb-ass !!


I used to love trucks, but I learned to hate the trucking industry.

I also learned a lot about the inner workings of the US "letter agencies" USDOT and USDOL, and all of their bastard children OSHA, FMCSA, PHMSA, etc.
It ain't a pretty story.
jdv NOV 18, 05:02 PM
Just listen to all the employees over at Tesla complaining about the work conditions. He is just weeding out the cry babies.
williegoat NOV 18, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by jdv:

Just listen to all the employees over at Tesla complaining about the work conditions. He is just weeding out the cry babies.


Yep, if you don't like your job, there are plenty of other places that are looking for a special, entitled Queen Karen.