OK, here's a question: Left or Right? (Page 1/5)
williegoat DEC 19, 12:29 PM
What's it gonna be, boy?

The American civil war

Who were the Leftists and who were the Right Wing? Please explain your answer. It would also help us understand your position if you can tell us where on the left/right spectrum you see yourself.

I know what I believe, and I will explain after I get a few answers from the modern American Left and Right.

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Let's go Brandon!

MidEngineManiac DEC 19, 02:08 PM
Little more complicated than that given it actually started over taxation, but the Confederacy was "right" and fighting to resist big government control.

Union was "left" overstepping boundaries and (as they are today) using "laws" to take whatever they wanted and dictate to the entire planet country.

Grey= Freedom Fighters

Blue= Oppressors.

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cliffw DEC 19, 02:56 PM
Right is right. Left is wrong.
olejoedad DEC 19, 03:03 PM
I would say that Lincoln was upholding his oath to defend and protect the Constitution and working to preserve the Union.

The War was started by the secession of the State of South Carolina, and the firing on Fort Sumter by rebel troops.

You know, like an insurrection.....

Left or Right?
The terms are not like compass points, political definitions change with the Political winds.

In modern political storms, they would be the Right.
williegoat DEC 19, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
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In modern political storms, they would be the Right.


Who is they?
olejoedad DEC 19, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Who is they?



Lincoln & Co.
Wichita DEC 19, 09:46 PM
The left would call them freedom fascist, as they do today.

williegoat DEC 19, 10:32 PM
olejoedad had it right.

The Confederacy staged an insurrection, the real thing, not a costume party. They tried to violently overthrow the US government. They were slave owners. They believed in a stratified society and did not respect basic human rights. They were the rebels, the Left.

The Union sought to conserve the Republic and the Constitution. They believed that all men were created equal and were endowed by God with certain unalienable rights. They were the conservatives, the Right.

Before you open your mouth, make sure you know what happened in 1789.

I am a conservative. I am loyal to the Republic and the Constitution. Those things place me firmly on the Right. I do not support the Leftist occupation of my government. It is an abomination, an usurpation of all that made America the greatest, most prosperous nation the world has ever known.
MidEngineManiac DEC 19, 11:24 PM
https://civilwarcause.com/C...domestic%20business.

as for Lincoln himself


https://www.npr.org/2010/10...-slavery-and-freedom

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The attack on Ft Sumpter was April 1861. Declaration of Emancipation was Jan of 1863. Almost 2 years after the war started.

It was a result of the war, not the cause of it. Dont forget too, it did not apply to the Union states, only the Confederacy.

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Yup, I am an "Insurrectionist". On the modern political scale/labeling system it would be libertarian individualist, who mostly get lumped in with the opposite of whoever we are talking to simply because we got no real use for either side, but mostly no use for government interference in individual lives.

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rinselberg DEC 20, 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:
The left would call them freedom fascist, as they do today.


I see a phrase that looks somewhat common... "anti-freedom fascist". But I don't see "freedom fascist" being used as an epithet or category descriptor.

Google search.

Edited to add:
Looks like an instance of "freedom fascist" being used as an epithet or category descriptor on TikTok.

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