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rinselberg
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MAR 08, 05:26 AM
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"Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say"
| quote | | New intelligence reporting amounts to the first significant known lead about who was responsible for the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines that carried natural gas from Russia to Europe. |
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Adam Entous, Julian E. Barnes and Adam Goldman for the New York Times; March 8, 2023.
https://www.nytimes.com/202...abotage-ukraine.html
It's a "long and winding" article. Since the intelligence is classified, there's not (hardly) anything here about the "intel" itself.
| quote | | U.S. officials said that they had no evidence President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials. |
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It's something you could likely see, even if you are not an online subscriber to the New York Times. A "freebie". Or you could try the hack of selecting the link and then doing whatever you would do to tell your browser to stop before it's finished loading the new browser tab or window in which the article would appear. Or you could look for other reports from other news venues that are picking up on this same report. Or you could just take my word for it.
Someone already started a thread, some weeks ago, on this same topic. I could probably have found that thread, if I had wanted to. I am purposely eschewing that thread because I do not like the subject line or title that was created for that thread. It was cryptic and provides no hint of what the thread was about. That's not good.
Some people here are in the habit of doing that. I don't like it. I won't say that I haven't ever done it myself, but I will say it should be the exception and not the rule, and I can say that is how I "roll", myself, when it comes to titularizing the threads that I create.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-08-2023).]
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williegoat
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MAR 08, 09:52 AM
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A pro Ukrainian group like this one?
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MidEngineManiac
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MAR 08, 03:18 PM
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Pro-Ukraine group.
So thats what the SEALS are self-identifying as these days.
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rinselberg
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MAR 10, 12:52 PM
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"The moment when Putin turned away from the West"
David Ignatius for the Washington Post; March 9, 2023.
https://www.washingtonpost....hechnya-ukraine-war/
| quote | The Russian-American counterterrorism alliance ruptured after a Sept. 1, 2004, attack by Chechen separatists on a school in Beslan, in the Russian region of North Ossetia. When the Russian authorities regained control on Sept. 3, 333 people were dead, including 186 children, plus 31 attackers. In the aftermath, Putin blamed the United States for encouraging the separatists by offering asylum to “moderate” Chechens and urging Russia to negotiate with them. A headline in Pravda argued: “How would Americans feel if Russia offered sanctuary to Osama bin Laden?” . . .
Three days after the September 2004 terrorist attack at Beslan, Putin delivered a blistering speech from the Kremlin voicing his indignation at the West in language he hadn’t used before . . .
“We never got back on track” after the Beslan incident, argues Thomas Graham, who was Bush’s National Security Council senior director for Russia at the time. “Putin concluded—wrongly in the U.S. view—that the U.S. counterterrorism campaign was just a smokescreen to cover American geopolitical advance in Eurasia at Russia’s expense,” Graham wrote in an afterword to the Russia section of the new book “Hand-Off: The Foreign Policy George W. Bush Passed to Barack Obama,” a collection of declassified transition memos prepared for the incoming Obama administration. . . . |
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williegoat
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MAR 10, 02:26 PM
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In my opinion, we should not have offered any support to the Chechen separatists. We should have kept our nose out of their business.
We should never assist or negotiate with any movement which includes or gives tacit approval to terrorists.
Here is some additional background: Claim (in 2004, 2015 and 2017): The U.S. government supported Chechen separatism.
| quote | | Overall, the U.S. seemed to draw a distinction between figures like Chechen separatist-turned-jihadist Basayev, whom the U.S. designated a terrorist in August 2003, and those whom one ACPC official termed the “mainstream Chechen resistance.” Russia did not draw such a distinction, considering both Akhmadov and Basayev terrorists. The U.S. was willing to treat the separatists as a party with valid political concerns, although the U.S. did not recognize Chechen independence; however, our team of researchers was unable to find any evidence to suggest that this tacit political support ever resulted in the operational or financial support of armed groups operating in Chechnya and/or other parts of the North Caucasus. |
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ray b
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MAR 18, 04:00 PM
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it has been reported THAT putin came to power by FAKING Chechen BOMBING
not say no Chechen ever used a bomb
am saying putin set bombs and killed hundreds and blamed the Chechen
as part of his maneuvers to gain power
terror is putin
it is how he got power
it is how he keeps power
putin is terror[This message has been edited by ray b (edited 03-18-2023).]
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williegoat
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MAR 18, 09:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
it has been reported THAT putin came to power by FAKING Chechen BOMBING
not say no Chechen ever used a bomb
am saying putin set bombs and killed hundreds and blamed the Chechen
as part of his maneuvers to gain power
terror is putin
it is how he got power
it is how he keeps power
putin is terror
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You've been hanging around with Alex Jones again, haven't you?
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Raydar
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MAR 20, 10:39 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Intelligence Suggests Pro-Ukrainian Group Sabotaged Pipelines, U.S. Officials Say"
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I thought that Brandon said, in so many words, that the US did it. Am I mistaken?
Edit - My mistake. This is the story that I read. But of course the white house denies it.
https://seymourhersh.substa...-out-the-nord-stream
2nd Edit - Seymour Hersh... interesting character. Seems like he gets it right, more often than not.[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 03-20-2023).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 24, 02:28 PM
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"Kremlin says it is 'critically important' to identify object discovered next to Nord Stream pipelines"
| quote | Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said Friday it is “critically important” to identify an object that was discovered next to the Nord Stream pipelines explosion site.
"It is critically important to determine what kind of object it is, whether it is related to this terrorist act — apparently it is — and to continue this investigation,” Peskov said during a daily call with reporters. “The investigation must be transparent and inclusive.”
Earlier, the Danish Energy Agency invited the operator of Nord Stream, Nord Stream 2 AG, to take part in an operation to retrieve an object found near the gas pipeline. Peskov said that the Kremlin viewed it as positive news. |
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Uliana Pavlova for CNN; March 24, 2023.
What are the odds that this will prove to be some kind of object?[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-24-2023).]
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