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MidEngineManiac
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APR 20, 12:15 AM
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Valkrie9
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APR 20, 12:52 AM
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Volleyball !
I became distracted, naturally, by several more important subjects.
Defense failure is unforgivable, a sitting duck, incapable of protecting it's sovereignty, or waters.
Inviting an invasion by a 500 million man army.
A pushover, defended by a dilettante.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 20, 08:07 AM
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It's not like Canada can't turn around and change tomorrow if they wanted to... but the sad reality is that Canada's military infrastructure is literally nothing that it once was. They've come to rely on the United States for literally everything defense related. Nearly all of the joint-US military sites in Canada, are entirely funded by the United States, both the initial build, and the O&M. Which is not entirely uncommon, because almost every "joint" site is like this too. Like JTF-Bravo in Honduras... was meant to be a temporary site, and we call it joint... but really, it was funded, built, and staffed by U.S. taxpayers. We even pay for the resources that the Honduran military use on that side of the airfield. Which is fine, because we're guests in their territory and are providing resources to protect interests that protect the United States... but in Canada it's different. Everything we do jointly there, really supports Canada more so than it does the United States. The "comments" from the state department in that article are of course damage control, but it's not like we don't all realize the state that Canada is in.
I've worked with the Canadians before on a variety of areas related to military, they're intelligent, and certainly proud, but they are horribly underfunded and understaffed. I cannot in good conscious give examples here, but they are horribly deficient in the protection of their own infrastructure. Where the U.S. may have 1,000s of people available to defend a particular area of infrastructure, the Canadians have less than 10 dedicated to it. Of course, as a matter of Canadian appeasement, people generally do not attack Canada because they do not see them as a threat. Canada has protection "built in" in these modern times by the simple fact that the United States exists.
As such, Canada's military decline isn't something that just happened over night though, it's been a long and storied process. I've stated this many times before... but they literally only have one military college left. Which is odd to me. In the United States, we have multiple war colleges, at least to the point that you should have one for every military branch to foster that comradery and sense of pride and history for that branch of the military. Canada has one... and all their military cadets co-mingle with their various uniforms... so there's no real sense of pride for belonging to one branch or another. All of that history is gone. Even the one military college they have left, Royal Military College, while it does have a proud history... is clearly somewhat in disrepair, very old buildings... but not in the sense that they are historical (like you'd find on an old college campus), just worn out. Their military reminds me of the Belgian military... which quite honestly, doesn't even need one.
Anyway, I feel sad saying these things. I really do like Canada... but the military just isn't a priority for them. And it's fine, that's their decision. I'm sure they're tired of following the United States in every conflict we seem to get involved in. But I wish they would just be honest and say they don't really care about their military because the United States is here, and all they really need to worry about is their local shoreline coastguard.
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rinselberg
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APR 20, 02:08 PM
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"Canada becomes the most dysfunctional NATO member nation... Let Music Set The Mood"[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 04-20-2023).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 20, 03:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"Canada becomes the most dysfunctional NATO member nation... Let Music Set The Mood"
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It's not that they aren't capable of development, engineering, or producing tough soldiers... it's just clearly not a priority for them... whether to their detriment or not... we'll see. No one seems to really care though, and the majority of their voters seem to be totally OK with it. The 3rd-party nations don't seem THAT concerned either... so... it's what it is.
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rinselberg
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APR 20, 03:40 PM
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I don't know what is meant by the "3rd-party nations".
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 20, 05:29 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
It's not that they aren't capable of development, engineering, or producing tough soldiers... it's just clearly not a priority for them... whether to their detriment or not... we'll see. No one seems to really care though, and the majority of their voters seem to be totally OK with it. The 3rd-party nations don't seem THAT concerned either... so... it's what it is. |
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This was last weekend.
If any of us had dared go out in public looking like that in the 80's we would have been doing push-ups and scrubbing floors with toothbrushes until doomsday.
https://www.chathamdailynew...or-disaster-training
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rinselberg
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APR 20, 06:50 PM
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Nothing in that photo really catches my eye. I see some sunglasses, and maybe some faces that are not freshly shaved, but other than that... ? I'm talking about the photo of soldiers in "kit" from the 31 Canadian Brigrade Group that is at the top of this news report:
https://www.chathamdailynew...or-disaster-training
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 21, 08:04 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
I don't know what is meant by the "3rd-party nations". |
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2nd Party "Partners" = Canada, New Zealand, Australia, UK, U.S.
3rd Party "Partners" = Basically NATO, Caribbean Partners, etc.
| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
This was last weekend.
If any of us had dared go out in public looking like that in the 80's we would have been doing push-ups and scrubbing floors with toothbrushes until doomsday.
https://www.chathamdailynew...or-disaster-training |
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Seriously, this is sad. They look less prepared than the Afghan National Army. These soldiers aren't even wearing the same boots. Literally, some of them have sailor boots on, and the rest are just a hodge-podge of some personal boots, and some left-overs from the last war. Seriously... this is embarrassing.[This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 04-21-2023).]
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MidEngineManiac
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APR 21, 10:41 AM
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Not just the boots...
not in step
mixed uniform type on the same guy
some with/without headgear camo/netting
unshaven
And generally look like they are staggering home from a 3-day drunk at a bush party. 
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