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2.5
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JUN 12, 10:59 PM
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Regardless of what you believe.
Even just listening to Jordan's portion, it has a lot to say. From the 39 second mark to 5:42.
It is no wonder it is always under such attack. It holds all order, all understanding, principles, values and structures of reality.
Truth is truth, shared or not.
Dismantle, disguise and shroud it over generations, at your peril.
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JUN 13, 05:41 AM
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The way I see it, it's always under attack for the exact same reason Ice-Lam, Wokeism, Greenism, veganism ect, ect...all of the various empiritcal causes.... are.
They insist on forcing themselves where they aren't wanted, and will not go away until forcefully removed.
Ya can blame the fundies and evangicals for being too stupid to know when to shut up.
Back to the insect allegory again...If there is a nest of hornets 6 trees away that isnt bothering me, then I'll let it be. If it keeps sending out groups of bugs to bug me and ruin my back-yard BBQ's, damn right it wont be there for very long. Simple self-defense of MY peace-and-quiet and life enjoyment.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 06-13-2023).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JUN 13, 07:32 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
The way I see it, it's always under attack for the exact same reason Ice-Lam, Wokeism, Greenism, veganism ect, ect...all of the various empiritcal causes.... are.
They insist on forcing themselves where they aren't wanted, and will not go away until forcefully removed.
Ya can blame the fundies and evangicals for being too stupid to know when to shut up.
Back to the insect allegory again...If there is a nest of hornets 6 trees away that isnt bothering me, then I'll let it be. If it keeps sending out groups of bugs to bug me and ruin my back-yard BBQ's, damn right it wont be there for very long. Simple self-defense of MY peace-and-quiet and life enjoyment.
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I'm Catholic, and unless I'm totally oblivious, there's nothing that we as Catholics are doing that are forcing you to abide by our rules or force our religion on you. The only thing I can conceptually think of is abortion... but that comes down to the concept of killing, or not killing... in my opinion. Beyond that, Catholics do not force their opinions on anyone.
I cannot be blamed for what the other denominations say or do... because that's not me. But I am very religious, believe with all my being... but you wouldn't normally realize this because I never talk about it.
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2.5
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JUN 13, 08:15 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
The way I see it, it's always under attack for the exact same reason Ice-Lam, Wokeism, Greenism, veganism ect, ect...all of the various empiritcal causes.... are.
They insist on forcing themselves where they aren't wanted, and will not go away until forcefully removed.
Ya can blame the fundies and evangicals for being too stupid to know when to shut up.
Back to the insect allegory again...If there is a nest of hornets 6 trees away that isnt bothering me, then I'll let it be. If it keeps sending out groups of bugs to bug me and ruin my back-yard BBQ's, damn right it wont be there for very long. Simple self-defense of MY peace-and-quiet and life enjoyment.
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So your focus seems to be on what people do.
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ray b
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JUN 13, 09:36 AM
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it is old goat herders rules to live by in a post stone age desert
no where in it does it predict anything real
no real dates or pharaohs named in the early parts [made up ]
or even that every jewish revolt will fail
[the god can't say chill people ?]
be harshly repressed and the believers scattered
hardly the result of a god on their side
no where in it does it predict anything real
like an ice box [frig] 0r a jet plane so sea food is safe to eat
or real events like the fall of rome
rise of islam
size or place of earth in a real universe
not a bit just stone age BS about heaven with gold streets
and hell under ground
in favor of slavery with rules
in favor of killing anyone who is NOT following their rules
no respect for any other belief or life style other then theirs
and this is pure BS ''Beyond that, Catholics do not force their opinions on anyone.''
for near 2000 years that is all they did do ''force their opinions on everyone''
and only after they LOST power to get away with forcing their opinions on everyone
and laws were passed did they slow down with the forcing their opinions on others
they are still the groomers in mass that rhonda will never stop not mickey
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MidEngineManiac
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JUN 13, 09:59 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
So your focus seems to be on what people do.
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Exactly.
Don't matter what the cause or message is, if somebody gets obnoxious enough, in-your-face enough about it, there is going to be backlash. Various religions just happen to be at the top of the in-your-face obnoxious list. Mind ya, pride is competing hard for pole position in that race.
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MidEngineManiac
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JUN 13, 10:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm Catholic, and unless I'm totally oblivious, there's nothing that we as Catholics are doing that are forcing you to abide by our rules or force our religion on you. The only thing I can conceptually think of is abortion... but that comes down to the concept of killing, or not killing... in my opinion. Beyond that, Catholics do not force their opinions on anyone.
I cannot be blamed for what the other denominations say or do... because that's not me. But I am very religious, believe with all my being... but you wouldn't normally realize this because I never talk about it.
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I grew up in a very strict (and abusive) Catholic home too. Eastern-European Catholic on moms side. I was about 9 or 10 when i said "no" to organized religion and all the crap that came with it and have been fighting to keep it out of my life since. So maybe my views are a little anti-biased.
BUT, when the pro-life run around passing anti-abortion laws, or one group passing Sunday (Saturday) closing laws (or The MuzzTM screaming for pork bans) that appears to the rest of the world as that religion trying to force it's tenants and rule. At that point which particular faction, branch, sect or whatever ceases to matter, They are all working from the same book so all the same is the attitude.
I'm real good at that one. Every time the Muzz attack something about my lifestyle (pork, dogs, free speech ect) my back gets up and moderates and islamics, Sunni and shia all get lumped together. Not interested in sorting them out, just in defending myself from them.
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Raydar
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JUN 13, 11:45 AM
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I also was raised Catholic. Even survived Catholic elementary school. Switched to public school starting 9th grade. (Talk about a culture shock.)
I was never abused (other than the guilt trip mind-fsck that is normal when you're a kid in Catholic school.)
I was never molested, nor do I know anyone who was. Ever.
Although I now consider myself a "recovering catholic" (I got tired of all the "formality" of it all), I am still a Christian and a believer. But I don't try to force anyone else to subscribe to my beliefs and have no patience for other people who do.
I also don't try to "correct" people whose actions I disagree with, as long as they don't do any harm. I figure they'll figure it out, sometime. Or not.
I believe gays are essentially "wired that way". No skin off my back if they want to be that way. I do have a problem with the "in your face" gays who (mostly the trans people) want to make their business my business.
And if you want to be identified as a woman, at least look the part. Shave your beard, FFS. Just leave me the F alone.
Regarding the "grooming" thing... I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with anything that Bill Maher said, but here it is.
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williegoat
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JUN 13, 12:32 PM
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Peterson is a wise man. Even if you discount the religion/faith/belief part, he has an important message here.
I have said the same thing, many times. Human society is built on millennia of trial and error. Human nature has not changed significantly, but our collective experience has. Our progenitors recorded their experiences and imaginations, so that we don’t have to repeat their mistakes. The problem we now have is that far too many believe they are smarter than the collective wisdom of all who came before. They ignore the lessons of the past at the peril of all civilization.
Right and wrong is not a random choice. It is a blueprint for the survival of mankind.
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Patrick
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JUN 13, 05:09 PM
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I didn't see what it had to do with "grooming", but that was an excellent video.[This message has been edited by Patrick (edited 06-13-2023).]
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