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williegoat JUL 31, 06:17 PM
The Archer has sung.



Now, the question is: What made Joe think he could get away with it?

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"Ain't no rest for the whiskers."

fredtoast JUL 31, 07:01 PM
Get away with what? Archer never said Joe Biden did anything corrupt or illegal.

Archer is about to go to prison for fraud. His word means nothing. He is a proven liar and crook.

And, finally, everyone knows that Biden was just following US policy when pressuring the Ukrain to remove Shokin. Not only the United States, but the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the European Union. Are you really going to claim that the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, and the European Union were all under the control of the VICE PRESIDENT of the United States. C'mon people, educate yourselves on what happened with Shokin.

https://www.usatoday.com/st...secutor/3785620002/. . . In the wake of the 2014 ouster of pro-Russian president Viktor Yanukovych, European and U.S. officials stepped up their efforts to deal with corruption in Ukraine.

"A big part of our diplomacy was pushing the Ukrainian government to clean up the corruption, partly because it was that corruption that allowed Russia to manipulate the country politically and economically," said Charlie Kupchan, a senior director for European Affairs on the National Security Council.

Biden used U.S. aid as "a stick to move Ukraine forward," Kupchan said. "He was acting alongside our European allies. Everybody was of a single mind that this prosecutor was not the right guy for the job."

In October 2015, Ukrainians staged a protest outside Poroshenko's home calling for Shokin's removal. Besides Biden's threat over the $1 billion in aid, the International Monetary Fund threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons.


https://www.washingtonpost....kraine-impeachment/. . . Opposition to Shokin was also a clear policy of the Obama administration and had been for some time. In September 2015, then-U. S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt blasted Shokin, citing “the failure of the institution of the prosecutor general of Ukraine to successfully fight internal corruption.” He added: “The United States stands behind those who challenge these bad actors.”

Joe Biden and the U.S. government were hardly the only ones pushing for Shokin’s ouster. This was a consensus of Western allies of Ukraine, as well as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

In other words, everyone wanted Shokin out because he was actually too soft on corruption — and thus allegedly corrupt himself — which suggested Burisma was not in any great danger with him as prosecutor general and might have been better off.
82-T/A [At Work] JUL 31, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The Archer has sung.



Now, the question is: What made Joe think he could get away with it?





It was pretty damning. I think Democrats now realize they'll need to get rid of Joe. They may keep him on to shield other Democrats from arrows, but there's no doubt in my mind he won't make it through the primary... either by choice, or because Democrats work with Republicans to get him impeached and then ... well, we'll see what the Senate does. I don't put it past Schumer if they know 2024 is at stake by leaving him on.
fredtoast JUL 31, 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

It was pretty damning.


What was damning? Archer never said Biden did anything illegal.

And Archer is a proven crook who has been convicted of fraud. Why should anyone believe anything he says? Anyone who knows anything about the situation with Shokin knows that his removal had nothing to do with Hunter Biden. Joe Biden was just acting on behalf of the Uniited States in conjunction with The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, and The European Union.

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ray b AUG 01, 09:25 AM
the true colors shine thru the BS

our con's love PUTIN
THEY HATE FREEDOM
and want to cut aid to the U

hint between 2017 and 2020 Joe was not an elected official
sorry but laws rules times matter
hint #2 hunter has never held any official government position EVER

btw the rump is a crook BUT PUTIN IS A FAR BIGGER CROOK
williegoat AUG 01, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:

the true colors shine thru the BS

our con's love PUTIN
THEY HATE FREEDOM
and want to cut aid to the U

hint between 2017 and 2020 Joe was not an elected official
sorry but laws rules times matter
hint #2 hunter has never held any official government position EVER

btw the rump is a crook BUT PUTIN IS A FAR BIGGER CROOK
ray b AUG 01, 11:19 AM
i GUESS PUTIN SUPPORTERS THERE ^

BTW RUMP DID IT
As Reason's Eric Boehm noted yesterday, "more than one-sixth of the $1.2 trillion disbursed" through just two programs was "stolen." In some ways, the loan to Yellow Corporation might be worse: Even with no fraud on display, the government will be left holding $700 million in debt and 30 percent of a bankrupt company.

RUMP LIKES TO DEAL WITH SCUM LIKE PUTIN OR HOFFA
wonder what the kick back was
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 01, 04:03 PM
Haha, yeah... I'm enjoying this a little bit.


Former Hunter Biden Business Partner Testifies About Joe Biden’s Involvement in Hunter’s Business Affairs

New York Post: A source familiar with Archer’s nearly four-hour closed-door interview said that Archer testified that Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings added Hunter to its board in early 2014 because of the Biden “brand” as his dad led US policy toward Ukraine. Archer also stated that Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky — who allegedly told an FBI informant he was “coerced” to pay $10 million in bribes to Hunter and then-Vice President Joe Biden — and company executive Vadym Pozharskyi in late 2015 put intense pressure on Hunter to enlist the US government to help oust Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who had investigated Burisma for corruption. He said he witnessed the then-second son, Zlochevsky and Pozharskyi step away as they “called DC” to discuss the issue, the source said — without specifying what, if anything, Archer said about the recently surfaced bribery allegation. Archer also said Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone more than 20 times during business meetings to promote “the brand” (New York Post).

Charlie Kirk: Law Professor Jonathan Turley is STUNNED by the Biden family influence peddling scheme following the Devon Archer testimony: “What we now know, quite frankly, is that the President has been lying…I think this is shaping up to be one of the greatest corruption scandals in the history of Washington, and that is saying a lot” (Twitter).

RNC Research: Democrat Rep. Dan Goldman: The witness testified “that Hunter would put his father on speakerphone with whomever was at dinner — and there was no indication that he had any idea who was at dinner with them” (Twitter)!

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82-T/A [At Work] AUG 02, 01:26 PM

The latest Rasmussen Reports survey found that 61% believe the financial and bribery scandals linking first son Hunter Biden to his father are serious, with just 29% shrugging them off. Worse for the president, 44% believe the scandal is “very serious” and that he took part in money phone calls with Hunter Biden’s clients, as his former partner Devon Archer confirmed in closed-door House testimony on Monday. Even 42% of Democrats agree with that, according to Rasmussen’s survey pulled from a pool made up of 36% Democrats, 33% Republicans, and 31% independents.

On the question of an illegal cover-up, 60% believe the president is “part of an illegal cover-up to hide his involvement in his son Hunter’s foreign business deals.” Of those, 45% said it is “very likely.” And 36% of Democrats agreed.

https://www.rasmussenreport...ers_suspect_cover_up


This makes me (sadly) very happy... it means that not everyone is a sycophant and able to think critically.
fredtoast AUG 02, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


This makes me (sadly) very happy... it means that not everyone is a sycophant and able to think critically.


It has nothing to do with "critical thinking". When Bush invaded Iraq 70% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussien was involved in 9-11. The "critical thinkers" were the other 30%.

There has been ZERO evidence that Joe Biden broke any law or "sold his influence" in any way. Biden was not the one who wanted Shokin removed from his position. It was the The United States, The World Bank, The International Monetary Fund, The European Union, and Ukranian citizens. So it just is not true that he "sold his influence" to get rid of Shokin. The evidence is clear for people who ABLE TO THINK CRITICALLY.

Also Rassmussen is notorious for its conservative bias. Even the poll cited by 82TA has a "push" element to the question. Instead of just asking people if they thought Biden was involved in corruption the questions started with a comment about how Hunter Biden's business associate just testified that Joe Biden was involved in corruption.

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