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MidEngineManiac
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AUG 01, 09:48 PM
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 02, 07:40 AM
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This is pretty ridiculous... and pretty upsetting. Freedom of speech means that you can basically say almost anything... short of actually creating a panic which results in injury to others (like yelling fire in a theater). Worse still, the DAs should not be charging these individuals with totally unrelated and fake crimes.
I'm glad that we finally have a Constitutionalist Supreme Court now... and likely will overturn the qualified immunity laws that they've been using. Something like this should be completely illegal. A more proper and measured response would be for the police department to call the individual and politely ask them to state that it's parody. Or... for their own social media page (which they all have) to post that this is not real information, and for dumb people to stop reporting it.
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fredtoast
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AUG 02, 08:03 AM
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Unfortunate incidents, but also proof that our system works. Neither of these men were convicted of anything. IN the first case the District attorney would not even prosecute.
Police make bad arrests all the time. We will never have perfect police, but as long as the mistakes are corrected by the system then the system still works.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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AUG 02, 08:26 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Unfortunate incidents, but also proof that our system works. Neither of these men were convicted of anything. IN the first case the District attorney would not even prosecute.
Police make bad arrests all the time. We will never have perfect police, but as long as the mistakes are corrected by the system then the system still works. |
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That's not at question here though... what's at question is whether or not the police deserve immunity from law suits.
I don't know that I think this immunity should be challenged entirely... but I do think there needs to be some mechanism for curing the problem. Who made the decision to go arrest either of these people? In this case... it was likely the Chief of Police. Or perhaps the elected Sheriff? By what mechanisms for retribution, deterrence, restitution, or even rehabilitation of the officials do we have to ensure this doesn't happen again?
I absolutely respect the institution of police, and have many friends who are police officers. But I'm reminded of my own incident which still irks me from time to time as a much older adult. When I was 19, I was driving my Fiero and pulling into a bank. Two construction workers in a white panel van backed into my Fiero, damaging it. So I called the police to file a report, which is what you do to get a claim for who's at fault.
The police came, and talked with the van driver and the other guy. I overheard the police officer say... "don't worry, I'll take care of this."
The police officer came over and told me he smelled marijuana in my car. And then told my friend and I to sit on the curb while he searched my car. They found nothing of course... because I've never used drugs in my life, but it was humiliating to have to sit on the curb while my neighbors drove by (slowly), and have my Fiero basically torn apart and disheveled (I had to put everything back). It was incredibly insulting especially because I was the one who called police.
I was viewed as a "rich kid" even though I was in a 10 year old used Fiero, and lived in an apartment, and was working at a hardware store. I just happened to be wearing a collared shirt and a pair of pants.
I then heard the police go up to the construction workers and say... "Sorry guys, there's nothing I can do..." and he wrote him a citation, and Billy Bob's Insurance (which they had) totally screwed me. I got $250 bucks for frame damage.
I was a kid... barely 19 at the time. As an adult, if this had happened to me now, I would want to know that I could sue for this.
And for the politics... yes, at this time, the town of Davie was a Democrat stronghold... matter of fact, the KKK headquarters still existed there. The FBI raided the Davie Police department, and they had a change-over about a decade ago, and the town is wildly Republican now.
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rinselberg
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AUG 02, 09:31 AM
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The prospect of FREE speech strikes me as more attractive than "feee" speech.
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MidEngineManiac
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AUG 02, 02:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
The prospect of FREE speech strikes me as more attractive than "feee" speech. |
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Feee speech.....Ya want me to listen to your crap you gonna have to pay da feee !!!
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fredtoast
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AUG 02, 03:02 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:I was a kid... barely 19 at the time. As an adult, if this had happened to me now, I would want to know that I could sue for this. |
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Want a definition of "privilege"?
How about "Whines about being a victim when police cite other party"
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MidEngineManiac
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AUG 02, 03:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
This is pretty ridiculous... and pretty upsetting. Freedom of speech means that you can basically say almost anything... short of actually creating a panic which results in injury to others (like yelling fire in a theater). Worse still, the DAs should not be charging these individuals with totally unrelated and fake crimes.
I'm glad that we finally have a Constitutionalist Supreme Court now... and likely will overturn the qualified immunity laws that they've been using. Something like this should be completely illegal. A more proper and measured response would be for the police department to call the individual and politely ask them to state that it's parody. Or... for their own social media page (which they all have) to post that this is not real information, and for dumb people to stop reporting it.
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I've more than had my share of handcuff over comments and attitude, especially during the covid protests. The pigsters cant really charge you with anything over vauge remarks, so what they do is use the "mental health act" to haul you to the hospital for an 8-72 hour lockup.
Problem with that is I know the head shrink. He runs 3 Ender printers for fun and lives in the town we moved out of a couple years go...
It goes something like this
Him: You did it again, didnt you
Me: yup
Him: Never going to learn to keep your mouth shut are you ?
Me: Nope
Him: Get out of here.
It's a non-event but still screws up my day.
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fredtoast
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AUG 02, 04:55 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
It's a non-event but still screws up my day. |
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Choices have consequences.
You are screwing up your own day.
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MidEngineManiac
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AUG 02, 05:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
Choices have consequences.
You are screwing up your own day.
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By refusing to be subjugated by the woke-politically-correct-marxist-left ??? Refusing mandates and forced medical experiments (ever heard of Tuskagee?) By speaking out against them ?
Piss off.
You guys arent running crap.[This message has been edited by MidEngineManiac (edited 08-02-2023).]
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