Can someone explain this to me? (Elon Musk) (Page 1/3)
82-T/A [At Work] AUG 25, 02:10 PM

DOJ Suing Elon Musk’s SpaceX for Hiring Practices

ABC: The Department of Justice is suing SpaceX, the aerospace company owned by Elon Musk, over alleged discriminatory practices against people living in the country under asylum and refugees. The federal government contends in its civil lawsuit, which was filed Thursday, that the company violated the Immigration and Nationality Act between September 2018 and May 2022 by discouraging asylees and refugees from applying to the company and refusing to hire or consider them (ABC).

Katie Pavlich: In other words, SpaceX hired Americans and DOJ is unhappy about it. For years the Biden administration has targeted Musk and snubbed Tesla, the most successful and productive electric car company on the planet, at official White House events because the employees are not unionized. When Musk purchased Twitter late last year, the White House questioned the sale and Democrats like Senator Elizabeth Warren on Capitol Hill demanded a federal investigation (Townhall).


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Ok, so... there are some thoughts here. The Biden DOJ is suing Space-X for not hiring refugees? I originally thought maybe they were talking about H1Bs, but then I re-read what I was seeing and it said people seeking asylum and refugees. These are essentially illegal immigrants, are they not? So I'm really confused... because unless they have a work visa, I'm pretty sure hiring illegals is, well... illegal?

I'm also confused because I know through colleagues that Space-X deals with everything from developing ICBMs, to rockets for the Air Force, and other government contracts, all of which require their employees to be US Citizens.


Being honest, I barely read either of these articles because it seemed so ridiculous that I couldn't bring myself to get through this. So I'm hoping the resident lefties would be willing to do the research for me and explain it.
TheDigitalAlchemist AUG 25, 02:56 PM
Yeah, I saw a new article regarding this, and found this
https://www.natlawreview.co...-us-citizens-or-lawf

Under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), limiting employment to U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents (green card holders) can be a violation of law.

Under IRCA, the protected class of individuals who generally may not be discriminated against in hiring, termination, and recruiting, or referring for a fee consists of U.S. citizens, lawful permanent residents, "temporary residents" (a term of art that applies to almost no one anymore), and refugees and asylees. The U.S. Department of Justice Best Practices page offers the following guidance:

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82-T/A [At Work] AUG 25, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist:

Yeah, I saw a new article regarding this, and found this
https://www.natlawreview.co...-us-citizens-or-lawf

Under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA), limiting employment to U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents (green card holders) can be a violation of law.





But... most defense contractors are prohibited from hiring non-US Citizens, which Space-X is (among other things). So I find this odd because nearly all the Federal contracts for anything related to space and defense prevent the hiring of foreign nationals.

As an interesting point, the US Government ONLY hires US Citizens... so I find it odd that Reagan would pass a law that says, do as I say, not as I do...
Wichita AUG 25, 04:41 PM
Just leftist weaponizing the justice system for political purposes. This is what leftist do. They are not good people.
cliffw AUG 25, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by Wichita:
Just leftist weaponizing the justice system for political purposes. This is what leftist do. They are not good people.



I agree.

When private companies censored conservative opinion and conversation, it was okay. They were "private" companies.

FredToast thinks "innocent till proven guilty" only applies in the legal system.
WonderBoy AUG 26, 08:49 AM
Out in left field:
fredtoast AUG 26, 10:38 AM
I really think it is a waste of everyone's time to bring discussions from one thread into another where it has nothing to do with the subject matter, but since you did


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Originally posted by cliffw:

When private companies censored conservative opinion and conversation, it was okay. They were "private" companies.
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If you are talking about Twitter and Facebook the restricted post from BOTH sides of the political aisle



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Originally posted by cliffw:

FredToast thinks "innocent till proven guilty" only applies in the legal system.




Let me hear you say that Joe Biden is innocent. Otherwise stop trying to attack me with this line.
fredtoast AUG 26, 10:49 AM
I do not know what is going on with this lawsuit. I agree that it seems a little unusual, but there is a bigger point that a lot of people are ignoring.

Musk's Starlink satellites are key to providing internet to Ukraine in its war with Russia, giving Musk an influence that's more like a nation state than an individual. He had the ability to cut off military communications between forces in the Ukraine, and used it to negotiate higher payments from the Pentagon. Musk also demanded real time info on the battlefield, which became a problem when it was elarned that he was also in communication with Putin. The US also depends of Musk to provide the services that NASA used to.

So I think the government is getting scared about their dependence on Musk. They put themselves in that position, but this lawsuit looks like them flexing their muscle a bit to try and keep him in line.

I don't like any of it.
rinselberg AUG 26, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Wichita:
Just leftist weaponizing the justice system for political purposes. This is what leftist do. They are not good people.


Surely, it would not be much of a burden for SpaceX to be able to defend this in court with the best lawyers that money can buy, and DOJ knows that. SpaceX presents a hard (or hardened) target in court. It's not some pushover like Emanuel's Empanada Emporium on Wheels.

So if DOJ doesn't have a ducks-in-a-row-quality case on legal grounds, and is just doing this to curry flavor politically, with whomever might like such a federal lawsuit, then I predict even an "Obama judge" would not be willing to trash their own professional reputation by warping the Laws of Law (so to speak) in such a way as to bend over backwards to favor a judgement for DOJ and against SpaceX.

"Sleep soundly on this one, my friends."

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cliffw AUG 26, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:
I really think it is a waste of everyone's time to bring discussions from one thread into another where it has nothing to do with the subject matter, but since you did



Get along little doggie.


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Originally posted by fredtoast:
If you are talking about Twitter and Facebook the restricted post from BOTH sides of the political aisle



Da' um. If you represented me in a court of law. I would appeal due to ineffective council. Do you understand English ? If you meant what I think you mean, I call BULLZHIT !


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Originally posted by fredtoast:
Let me hear you say that Joe Biden is innocent. Otherwise stop trying to attack me with this line.



Do you really not understand that Joe Biden is innocent ? Till proven guilty ?