9/11 - 22 Years Later... (Page 1/4)
82-T/A [At Work] SEP 11, 11:07 AM
What are your guys thoughts? Do you feel any different today than you did 22 years ago?

I figured 22 years have gone by, what's the big deal. I tried watching the play-by-play news report, mostly for the people who were too young to remember... and I couldn't get through it. I had to shut it off.
For a good several years, I became very racist towards anyone of the Islamic faith (not overtly, but privately) in the years following 9/11. It required some introspective thought to clear my mind of this and learn to separate emotion from logic. Logically, I do think there's some language in the Koran that's inciteful, which I think causes fundamentalism... which still causes issue today. I do still think to a large extent, that's the minority, rather than the majority ... but it is incumbent upon that majority to ensure the fundamentalist are not successful. I think we've made great strides in this, but we have to remember that for many, religion is as much cultural as it is a belief system, and expecting people to simply change requires many generations.

Anyway, that wasn't my point, but I assume this will get super political, which is why I posted it here. Just curious what you guys think today... in hindsight, what did we do right, what did we do wrong? From the intelligence community side... I think the creation of the ODNI was well-intentioned, but it still doesn't much serve the purpose it was intended to. The agencies largely still do their own thing... it has far more to do with protecting their territory. Intel is not widely shared between the agencies as it should ... either because they don't all trust a central repository, or they believe that sharing information from one to another destroys the relevancy of one agency or another (there are some competing requirements that they all tend to do... not just across the agencies but even across the military branches separate from their duty-assignments at an agency).

At the same time, drastic change also creates significant disruption in an agency, which leads to services normally being performed, simply "stopping." I think the legislative branch needs to get together with several intelligence community leaders, and issue a legislative law (directive) that defines clearly the sharing of intelligence between the organizations. This is still not being done, despite the creation of ODNI.
MidEngineManiac SEP 11, 11:26 AM
Gawd may forgive.....I dont.

The level of with the whole thing was part of what drove me out of aviation.

When it happened I was flying photo survey part-time, but main income was working the executive ramp at YYZ (think Pope, Queen, Heads-of-state executive plus mil contracts). So these sand-spiders just pulled off the largest terror attack in history. Nobody knew who/what was who when it came to "Ahab"....and within 6 mos guess who a sheet-ton of new hires on the field are ? Then they proceed to treat all the NON-muzz experienced crews like the criminals.

It got to the point you couldnt head upstairs to the canteen for a **** and sandwich without somebody wanting to see your pass.

Add to that you had a live skeet range within 100 yards of the end of a runway with open membership.

Screw that. Better money in the auto sector anyway.

It was also the start of me getting "politicized". I never was before that event. 7 years later butting heads with a leftist-feminist-lawyer-management/boardroom-type set me WELL on the path I am today politically.

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fredtoast SEP 11, 12:10 PM
Only big mistake was using residual Islamophobia from 9-11 to support invading Iraq while staying in bed with the House of Saud.

Lots of people like me who supported military action in Afghanistan to deal with the terrorists threat were called "unpatriotic" when we opposed the invasion of Iraq.
fredtoast SEP 11, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:

It was also the start of me getting "politicized". I never was before that event. 7 years later butting heads with a leftist-feminist-lawyer-management/boardroom-type set me WELL on the path I am today politically.




That is interesting because for several years after 9-11 conservatives held all the power. They controlled the Senate, House, and White houose. they got whatever they wanted.

Never heard anyone claim that 9-11 initiated liberal policy or empowered the left.
bonaduce SEP 11, 12:30 PM
Probably an unpopular view. Didn't even realize it was 9/11 other than the fact that it was my cousins birthday until I got to work and read the headlines on the web. Was I angry, sure. Was I surprised, not really. The USA has been messing around in other counties/peoples affairs for a long time, it was only a matter of time until some one decided to mess with ours. Saddened that life's were lost.

dan
ray b SEP 11, 12:37 PM
reminder the 9-11 attackers were all god fearing religious CONSERVATIVES

NO LIBERALS NO ATHEISTS NOT EVEN ANY commies or socialists just religious nut con's hi-jacked aircraft

ie people with the same ideas and ideals as our religious conservatives in the Gop who support the rump

different book and name for god sure but not a lot of other differences in plans and program they want

I am thankful they have not understood that they very very common values and ambitions of god in government
and are natural allied powers of evil solidly both on the dark side
MidEngineManiac SEP 11, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:


That is interesting because for several years after 9-11 conservatives held all the power. They controlled the Senate, House, and White houose. they got whatever they wanted.

Never heard anyone claim that 9-11 initiated liberal policy or empowered the left.



Only for a couple years, but when the poolicy pendulum swung it swung HARD. Once the initial outrage had settled a little the lefties took FULL advantage and have been pushing their agenda double-time since.
fredtoast SEP 11, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:


Only for a couple years, but when the poolicy pendulum swung it swung HARD. Once the initial outrage had settled a little the lefties took FULL advantage and have been pushing their agenda double-time since.



Sorry I still don't get what you are talking about.

What policy were leftist able to enact due to the fallout from 9-11? Most of the ones I am aware of benefitted the right.

9-11 fueled ant-immigration.

9-11 fueled increased military spending and invasion of foreign countries.

9-11 fueled increase in Islamophobia.

9-11 elevated support of local police to the level of US military. They all became "patriots" and defenders of the American way.

9-11 fueled increased US support for Israel.

All of those are pretty much conservative causes.

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MidEngineManiac SEP 11, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by fredtoast:


Sorry I still don't get what you are talking about.

What policy were leftist able to enact due to the fallout from 9-11? Most of the ones I am aware of benefitted the right.

9-11 fueled ant-immigration. Look around. Does it look vary "Anti" to you ?

9-11 fueled increased military spending and invasion of foreign countries. Only very temporarily. Same as the Vietnam situation, the left couldnt get out of the way and let the job get done.

9-11 fueled increase in Islamophobia. Nothing "phobic" about it. It's called recognizing a threat and dealing with it. Still beyond me why Islam itself hasn't been declared a terrorist organization. Canada, US, UK, Australia, Europe...entire western world. All with the same issues with the same group. How much more evidence do you need to 88 them ?

9-11 elevated support of local police to the level of US military. They all became "patriots" and defenders of the American way. For a short while. All I see now are a .Trans instead of a .Mil and police have become nothing but a brutal gang of armed thug woke enforcers. Big-Brave Stazi "heros" afraid for their lives of old grannies and chihuahua's (MeM spits in their general direction). They are the antithesis of freedom and are the tool of authoritarian leftist rule.

9-11 fueled increased US support for Israel. The original commies and "chosen" master race racists. The original cant be criticized "you cant say that" liberals. The original "Anti" screamers. I got about as much use for them as I do cops. Those are Left values.

All of those are pretty much conservative causes.


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rinselberg SEP 11, 03:18 PM
The message that immediately precedes this one is a triumph of an unhinged and quasi-lunatic Reductionism, over Reason.

To the extent that it's contagious and transmissible through social interactions, it's a threat to both the near-term and the long-term prosperity and well being of the human species.

I'm of the opinion that this is a disorder that is diminishing all around the world, albeit slowly, and not without temporary setbacks to its decline.

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