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fredtoast
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SEP 19, 09:12 AM
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This silliness over threatening to shut down the government instead of raising debt limit has to stop. And to be clear I am criticizing BOTH PARTIES for doing it.
The budget has been approved. That is the time for these fights. But after it is approved it is ridiculous to say we are not going to pay our bills.
It is like saying, "I am going to start saving money by not paying for stuff I already bought." It is ridiculous.
I guess BOTH SIDES are too busy impeaching Presidents to work out a budget. It is turning into a clown show in Washington.
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olejoedad
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SEP 19, 09:42 AM
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The Legislative branch has been a clown show for most of my life.
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Jake_Dragon
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SEP 19, 02:06 PM
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"They" started it.
Not sure who "they" is anymore but its been this way for a long time.
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jdv
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SEP 19, 03:34 PM
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rinselberg
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SEP 19, 04:49 PM
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"Key Findings of the Mueller Report"
American Constitution Society
https://www.acslaw.org/proj...-the-mueller-report/
EXCERPT
The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton”
- In 2015 and 2016, Michael Cohen pursued a hotel/residence project in Moscow on behalf of Trump while he was campaigning for President.[5] Then-candidate Trump personally signed a letter of intent.
- Senior members of the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Jared Kushner took a June 9, 2016, meeting with Russian nationals at Trump Tower, New York, after outreach from an intermediary informed Trump, Jr., that the Russians had derogatory information on Clinton that was “part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.”[6]
- Beginning in June 2016, a Trump associate “forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton.”[7] A section of the Report that remains heavily redacted suggests that Roger Stone was this associate and that he had significant contacts with the campaign about Wikileaks.[8]
- The Report described multiple occasions where Trump associates lied to investigators about Trump associate contacts with Russia. Trump associates George Papadopoulos, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen all admitted that they made false statements to federal investigators or to Congress about their contacts. In addition, Roger Stone faces trial this fall for obstruction of justice, five counts of making false statements, and one count of witness tampering.
- The Report contains no evidence that any Trump campaign official reported their contacts with Russia or WikiLeaks to U.S. law enforcement authorities during the campaign or presidential transition, despite public reports on Russian hacking starting in June 2016 and candidate Trump’s August 2016 intelligence briefing warning him that Russia was seeking to interfere in the election.
- The Report raised questions about why Trump associates and then-candidate Trump repeatedly asserted Trump had no connections to Russia.[9]
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-19-2023).]
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jdv
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SEP 19, 04:57 PM
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Russia,RUSSIA,RuSSia,russia, rUSSIA, and ussr
We have the evidence. Lets Start the impeachments.
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rinselberg
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SEP 19, 05:30 PM
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Welcome to Tuberville, population 1... "The place where America's military readiness Goes To Die." Drive safely. [This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-19-2023).]
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fredtoast
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SEP 19, 08:04 PM
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What the hell just happened to this thread about shutting down the government over the debt ceiling?
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jdv
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SEP 19, 08:42 PM
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Sorry for side tracking your thread I was just responding to Jake as to who they was. Since you ask did care about the previous shut downs or impeachments or is it a personal thing.
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fredtoast
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SEP 20, 06:20 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
Sorry for side tracking your thread I was just responding to Jake as to who they was. Since you ask did care about the previous shut downs or impeachments or is it a personal thing. |
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Yes I cared.
Impeachment has become the new shiny toy used by the legislature to put on a show instead of doing the job of governance.
And threatening to shut down the government by threatening not to pay for things we have already bought is not only an international embarrassment, but it also effects the credit rating of Federal debt. That will actually have an effect on all of our individual finances.
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