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SEP 29, 08:27 AM
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olejoedad
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SEP 29, 09:03 AM
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Ya think?
I'm kinda surprised it's taken the Dems this long to figure out how to do it.
NRA lawsuit in 3..2..1..
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rinselberg
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SEP 29, 10:08 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if this new Office of Gun Violence Prevention soon becomes the target of lawsuits by the NRA and perhaps other groups and individuals.
However, I don't think any such lawsuit will be a "slam dunk" for the plaintiffs.
This new "Office" is connected to the bipartisan "gun safety legislation" that... well, here:
| quote | This new office is going to be a central hub, essentially, for enforcement, coordination, public outreach.
As you well know... last year the president signed into law a bill, a bipartisan bill, that cracked down on background checks, essentially trying to enhance background checks. And so they're going to be coordinating aggressively with states to make sure that that's enforced.
There's also billions of dollars that were allocated in that bill to tackle gun violence prevention, mental health, school safety. And so a lot of the people I have spoken to, including the White House, say that this office is going to make sure that all of that is enforced and implemented, that those communities realize that there's that money there for them to use. |
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"What you need to know about the new federal gun violence prevention office"
Laura Barrón-López and Karina Cuevas for PBS; September 22, 2023.
https://www.pbs.org/newshou...ce-prevention-office[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-29-2023).]
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fredtoast
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SEP 29, 10:30 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
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This is not true
Got any facts to back it up.
Looks like right-wing propaganda that only a brainwashed person would accept as true without any context.[This message has been edited by fredtoast (edited 09-29-2023).]
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2.5
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SEP 29, 01:32 PM
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"A lot of the people I've spoken to" know that its all tactics as a means to an end, and the devil is in the details.
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2.5
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SEP 29, 01:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fredtoast:
This is not true?
Got any facts to back it up.
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One of those is a question.
Facts: Biden's track record as well as many others involved and in power.
I guess you just need to ask yourself, what is a gun ban group?[This message has been edited by 2.5 (edited 09-29-2023).]
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olejoedad
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SEP 29, 02:14 PM
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If firearms are used illegally, that is a criminal problem, not a gun problem.
To translate, we don't have a gun violence problem, we have a violent criminal problem.
500 mass shootings? Yup, just change the definition of a mass shooting.
"and I've been to every one of them" JRB jr. lies to the American public once again.
Hopefully, the VP will be just as effective in her new job as she has been as the Border czar....🙄
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rinselberg
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SEP 29, 02:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
If firearms are used illegally, that is a criminal problem, not a gun problem.
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That's glib.
| quote | Originally posted by olejoedad:
500 mass shootings? Yup, just change the definition of a mass shooting.
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| quote | The term “mass shooting” can refer to firearm-related events with various outcomes depending on which definition is being used.
A 2020 article from the National Institute of Justice Journal notes the challenges that arise from the lack of a single definition of the term “mass shooting.” Its authors claim that research is “hampered by a lack of agreement on definitions of critical terms, such as ‘mass shootings’ and ‘mass murders,’ and by the absence of consistent sources of data on mass shootings.”
Further, they note that “The federal criminal code lacks a distinct mass shooting offense; this may help explain why researchers use different terminology, or types of criminal offense, in their analyses of the same phenomenon.”
The Department of Justice, for example, shared a 2013 analysis of mass shootings that defines them as “any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.”
News reports on the number of mass shootings in the US are likely to reference the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that defines a mass shooting as an event with a “minimum of four victims shot, either injured or killed, not including any shooter who may also have been killed or injured in the incident.” Many media outlets—such as Reuters, CNN, and the Wall Street Journal—reference this definition of mass shooting. According to that tally, the US has experienced nearly 400 mass shootings so far this year. [As of July 18.] |
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USAFacts "What is considered a mass shooting?"
July 18, 2023; updated August 1, 2023.
https://usafacts.org/articl...red-a-mass-shooting/[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-29-2023).]
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olejoedad
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SEP 29, 02:57 PM
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No, its not glib, it's factual.
Guns are inanimate objects, incapable of making a conscious decision to fire themselves.
Your comment was glib, thanks for the example.
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fredtoast
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SEP 29, 05:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 2.5:
One of those is a question.
Facts: Biden's track record as well as many others involved and in power.
I guess you just need to ask yourself, what is a gun ban group?
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Corrected the question mark.
Joes track record. . . . Only tried to ban "ghost guns" from 3D printers
And, yes, I do have to ask "What is a gun ban group?"
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