A 2nd Amendment Right or Maybe Not (Page 1/4)
blackrams OCT 24, 05:17 PM
Gun Store Owner Refuses to Transfer Firearm After Seeing Support for Antifa on Customer’s Business Card

https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...30866 45429e025&ei=19

quote

A gun shop owner in Florence, Oregon, turned away a customer who was looking to buy a gun when the customer handed over his business card that showed he was affiliated with the violent, extreme, left-wing organization antifa.

Would-be customer Mark Iannicelli went complaining to the local media when the staffers at the Florence Gun Shop refused to hand over a gun he had bought online when he went to the shop for the required federal background check.

Gun buyers can buy a gun online without a background check, however, the firearm has to be shipped first to a gun dealer near the customer for the dealer to perform the federal background check and to fill out the required paperwork to then legally transfer the gun to the buyer.

But apparently Mark Iannicelli's transfer process ran into a little hiccup when the gun dealer did not feel the customer was trustworthy.

One big tipoff spooked the gun dealer, who told Iannicelli that the deal was off.

"It's because I had given him this business card, and he said he didn't feel good about it because he didn't support antifa," Iannicelli told KEZI-TV.

The left-wing customer said he tried to explain away his support for antifa by saying, "I explained to him it's more like a movement."

Antifa has been linked to hundreds domestic attacks, riots, and millions in property damage, not to mention repeated threats of terroristic attacks on their political opponents.

But Iannicelli claimed he has never actually attended any antifa activities with Portland antifa.

"You know I have never actually gone up there and marched with antifa, but he was adamant he wasn't going to sell me the firearm," he told the outlet.

There are several other red flags on the man's business card, too. He shows support for opposing “gangstalking” and has several references to "targeted" individuals, both of which are euphemisms used by left-wingers to describe police harassment.

Iannicelli is now accusing the gun shop of violating his Second Amendment right to bear arms by refusing to transfer the firearm to his possession.

He also said that a mere gun shop should not be allowed to determine who they should sell to based on a customer's political affiliations.

"A person’s ethnicity, their race, their political belief, their religion, like that … the guy’s job is to sell guns," Iannicelli exclaimed. "You give a name card you know and it has some type of political group he doesn't like … he can simply throw the card away."

He also said he is afraid he's now persona non grata in the gun store and feels cheated.

"I feel like I’m being, you know, ripped off I feel like because I have to pay two or three times more than the average citizen and have my second amendment rights violated," Iannicelli moaned.

"I'm really getting screwed around," he said adamantly. "This shouldn't be happening in this country."

Nathan Graham, owner of the Florence Gun Shop, defended his decision.

"Looks like we made the news," Graham wrote on Facebook.

"We are constantly in support of individuals and there 2A right and will continue to support SAFE and lawful firearm transfers," he added.

However, Graham also had a caveat, saying, "In the event that a individual makes us uncomfortable in the shop we will continue to act accordingly."

Of course, the gun shop is not a government business, and the owner has a right to deny a sale if he wants, as long as it is within reason and in compliance with state and federal laws.

And with the many examples of domestic terrorism to which antifa has been linked, it may be a good idea not to hand a person so proud of being affiliated with that group a firearm.



Honestly, I don't know the rules that gun shop owners work under and that probably varies from state to state. [ But, I wonder, does the gun shop owner have the right or responsibility to deny this?


------------------
Rams
Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. .
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.

[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 10-24-2023).]

williegoat OCT 24, 05:28 PM
Wow! I really, REALLY want to see this one go all the way to the Supreme Court. I have conflicting feelings. Though it goes against my grain, I think maybe the shop owner might be wrong. I have some soul searching to do.
Jake_Dragon OCT 24, 05:57 PM
Private business?
Raydar OCT 24, 06:01 PM
A while back, a gay couple sued a bakery who didn't want to bake a cake for their wedding. Seems like they (the couple) lost that suit. 2nd amendment aside, might this be a similar situation.

Aside from all of that, haven't gun stores been sued (I know that at least one manufacturer has) as being culpable when someone was killed with one of their guns?
The seller could probably be considered as part of "the chain". Seems to me that he has a valid argument for telling the guy to pizz off.
olejoedad OCT 24, 06:03 PM
If a gun store owner has reason to believe that a potential customer is a strawman buyer, he has a responsibility to refuse the sale.

blackrams OCT 24, 06:25 PM

quote
Originally posted by olejoedad:

If a gun store owner has reason to believe that a potential customer is a strawman buyer, he has a responsibility to refuse the sale.



I'm in a similar position as Willie, while I have strong 2nd Amendment opinions, the weapon is only in the store owner's possession due to the shipping requirements. I assume any required background checks have already been pursued and satisfied. Maybe, maybe not. I've never purchased a weapon through the mail. Again, I don't know the state's regulations on the rights and responsibilities of the gun shop owner.

I'd hate to think that such a situation like that could happen to me just because I'm a sex symbol (or any other reason) and the owner doesn't approve. On the other hand, if the shop owner has the responsibility and right to withhold that weapon, then.............................. Well, I just don't know.
------------------
Rams
Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. .
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.

[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 10-24-2023).]

olejoedad OCT 24, 06:45 PM

quote
Originally posted by blackrams:


I'm in a similar position as Willie, while I have strong 2nd Amendment opinions, the weapon is only in the store owner's possession due to the shipping requitements. I assume any required background checks have already been pursued and satisfied. Again, I don't know the state's regulations on the rights and responsibilities of the gun shop owner.

I'd hate to think that such a situation like that could happen to me just because I'm a sex symbol and the owner doesn't approve. On the other hand, if the shop owner has the responsibility and right to withhold that weapon, then.............................. Well, I just don't know.



Ron, read the article.

The online seller ships to a FFL gun store who runs the background check.

( which shoots holes in the MSM claim that firearms can be bought online with no background check)

The FFL has the responsibility to not sell if anything about any about the customer suspicious.
williegoat OCT 24, 07:14 PM
Could a Leftist gun dealer refuse to transfer a firearm to someone who had MAGA or Proud Boys on his card?

I'm sure there are Leftist gun dealers and we know that Leftists view MAGA and Proud Boys the way Right Wingers view AntiFa. I am not arguing the merits of their beliefs, but just as the first amendment protects speech with which we disagree so does the second protect people with whom we disagree. A Communist is entitled to self defense.
olejoedad OCT 24, 07:24 PM
Hmmm, Oregon.

Smells like someone trying to make waves.

The FFL would want to see a valid ID, not a business card.

Why would the potential customer present a business card?
williegoat OCT 24, 07:36 PM

quote
Originally posted by olejoedad:

Hmmm, Oregon.

Smells like someone trying to make waves.


You are probably right. I thought the same thing.

Still, It will be interesting to watch.