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ray b DEC 20, 11:00 AM
one NO trump
williegoat DEC 20, 11:15 AM
Tell me again: Where lies the "threat to democracy"?
82-T/A [At Work] DEC 20, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by ray b:

one NO trump




It's a surprising decision... and I think you know why. Trump hasn't actually been convicted of anything, and you can't justifiably say he meets the requirements per the 14th amendment if he has not yet been convicted of anything. It very obviously won't stand and will get overturned by the Supreme Court. What it does show though is that the justices in Colorado seem to not really understand how to do their job.

But to be honest, I'm glad that Democrats are doing this... it's making people realize where the threat really is. Biden's polling continues to tank, and I think Democrats are terrified of another Trump administration and what they might end up doing to Democrats. This is all the more reason why we need another Trump administration...
ray b DEC 20, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

Tell me again: Where lies the "threat to democracy"?




before 1-6 there were efforts to fake electors = treason
and also block proper electors = treason

there was the riot/revolt on 1-6 = treason

and the post insurrection efforts to cover up and confuse = treason

all 3 count only matters what is charged in forth coming indictments as they all = treason

btw R E Lee was never CON-VICTED BUT WAS BANNED FROM FEDERAL OFFICE
ray b DEC 20, 11:56 AM
Gop LOVES states rights

when it supported their racist BS
or the godfearers BS

but never when it goes against the Gop core ideas
like a ban on the treason by the trump cult
82-T/A [At Work] DEC 20, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

Gop LOVES states rights

when it supported their racist BS
or the godfearers BS

but never when it goes against the Gop core ideas
like a ban on the treason by the trump cult




Ray, you do not understand what these terms mean. As for the capitol riot specifically, this is not the first time that the U.S. Capitol building has been overrun by protestors, or that people have been shot and killed. Similar protests occurred after WW1 when a large group of military veterans occupied the Capitol building in hopes of pushing for a salary bonus that was promised to them in previous legislation, but was rescinded due to the Great Depression. This ended with armed Federal troops opening firing on the military veterans, killing several of them.

In 2018, the Capitol building’s security was overrun and protestors streamed in during the 2018 confirmation of (now) Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Note, there were numerous articles at the time falsely stating they never entered the capitol, but it was later debunked as there were multiple images of the protestors occupying the rotunda with the “We Believe All Survivors” banner. There were several hundred arrests. More recently, there was another incident which occurred just last month in which over a thousand protestors again overran Capitol security and entered the facility. Once again, the protestors were eventually dispersed and over 300 protestors were arrested. For the most part, there was nothing particularly different about what occurred in 2018 and 2023, than what happened in 2021, with the exception of the business of the House at the time. In all three instances, there was damage to Capitol, and protestors were arrested.

Now I think there’s two things that we need to address, the politicization of this protest (J6), and the charge of treason or sedition. Starting with Federal charges, the only time there should be charges for crimes against the government, is if it can be proven that there was an attempt at overthrowing the Federal government. What needs to be addressed is whether or not what occurred is considered “treason.” The goal of the protest at best was to encourage then Vice President Pence to not certify the election. While undesirable for the democratic process of our Republic, this would have been well within his right to do so by virtue of the Constitution, and it would have likely resulted in Biden still winning the election in the end. At the absolute least, this was a protest of dissatisfaction of the result of the protest. We can get into the fact that Democrats cheated across the board in all the swing states (which the state Supreme Courts have certified actually occurred). But never the less, there's no process to undo an election once there's confirmation.

As for charges, there is a difference between treason and sedition. This is important. Treason requires both support to our enemies and leveraging war against the United States. In this case, no one from any of these protests (all the ones) meet the qualifications of treason, as only one person has ever been charged with treason in the United States. The next charge is sedition. To be guilty of sedition has a few requirements, but one in particular that’s relevant is “hindering or delaying the execution of law of the United States.” Additionally, the “taking or possessing property of the United States. In order to charge any of the protestors with sedition, it would need to be proven for each protestor individually that they intended (mens rea) to hinder or delay execution of the law. For those who entered the Capitol building, this could likely be appropriate under the law as it could be proven that the action (actus rea) did in fact hinder and delay certification of the election. Those likely outside of the Capitol that did not enter, should likely not be charged with anything except possibly loitering and trespassing when asked to leave.

If we look at previous forced-occupations of the Capitol building, both in the 1930s with the WW1 vets, the Brett Kavanaugh protestors in 2018, and the Pro-Palestine protestors in 2023, any one of these would also immediately fall under the same charge of sedition. In none of these prior occupations were any of these protestors charged with sedition, even if they may have met the conditions for it. This does not mean that the protestors during the January 6 occupation aren’t guilty of it, it simply suggests unequal justice under the law … and a clear politicization of the events for political gain. In either case, it also appears as though the protestors from January 6th are being held in significantly worse conditions than prior occupation protestors. My opinion is that the law should be applied equally. All of the protestors that occupied the capitol in 2018, 2021, and 2023 should be charged with sedition if there’s a reasonable belief they intended to hinder or delay house action (which is quite clear as their banners literally state this).
olejoedad DEC 20, 12:37 PM
T/A, you're wasting your time replying to rayb.
williegoat DEC 20, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

T/A, you're wasting your time replying to rayb.


The more we can get rayb to talk, the more people will see the true nature of the Left.

Besides, how else would we have learned that Taylor Swift is the real force behind global politics?

[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 12-20-2023).]

ray b DEC 20, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

T/A, you're wasting your time replying to rayb.



well he forgot two major items

the scum CON MACarther ordered the destruction of the HOOVERVILLE in DC

HOOVERVILLES WERE HOMELESS CAMPS THAT THE Gop depression caused

ALL THAT WAS PRE-FDR pure Gop government in action
ray b DEC 20, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

The more we can get rayb to talk, the more people will see the true nature of the Left.



CON-serned about BLOOD PURITY like the rump ?

well they seldom want to talk about DOG WHISTLES

SO AMERICAN INDIANS are a threat to what ?
or who are rump's BLOODY fears about EXACTLY

COME ON AND TALK